Rezzable: On Builderbot again

What is necessary cannot be said.

His comments were on voice but it was pretty obvious from the beginning the amount of respect he had for people in SL. He wore a noob spammer, that made comments every few seconds like “how do I start a store.” “wow I really like your outfit where can I get it.”

I’m sure it was a novelty but pretty much set the groundwork for how seriously he takes these issues. He apparently finally removed it.

His comments that summed it up for me was a couple things.

1. If you don’t want your things stolen don’t play SL, and go learn maya and work for xbox.

2. He had all his things stolen before and was paying LL too much and not getting any satisfaction so he decided to leave SL.

3. He has a right to his intellectual property rights and taking his stuff out of game (regardless of the TOS he signed.)

there are several other points he attempted to make but.. LL didn’t take his IP. It should all still be on his HD if hes the creator. He also doesn’t seem to think anyone in SL can create anything and he seems to think its all just a bunch of wannabies. His comments were very pompous and I honestly feel bad for the people who created for him, and him taking all the credit.

This is so upsetting to me … I don’t know what to say.. there are so many things wrong with what this person is doing and how they are viewing the SL community. Just..

Can someone explain to me who rightasrain is exactly?

I thought the person behind rezzable was that starax guys alt?

And didn’t they just buy a bunch of sims and pay ppl to build content for it?

Someone from rez approached me about a year ago asking if I’d create them a surf line and give to them full perm. They offered to pay me 30 usd for this. I laughed and said no, a more reasonable offer would be 300usd and even that was lowball. She then called my products crap and a bunch of other snide remarks

I never liked them much after that

This is terrible but I think it’ll go the way of copy bot. It’ll be a big scare, it will steal from people and then linden will mess with it a bit. But…there is so much out there that is currently ripping off people in a big way..that hasnt been stopped. What makes this different? really? Ill always build faster than they can keep up. And if anything it’ll drive me to keep going. People like that are worthless and vindictive and feel personally scorned. It doesnt seem like its against us, so much as to prove a point to linden lab.

So..

Dear Linden Lab,
Please give us legal rights to our items, let us pay for licenses, take us from “intellectual art” to artists who get new cars when people rip us off.

Thank you,
Tyr.

Tyr

I was doing some raw footage work for Linden Lab where I was to highlight 5 sims that represented the grid at the time, which was September 2007. We ended up going with Dublin, Tableau, Straylight, Weather Island, and Svarga.

However, I’d originally suggested Greenies. Since I needed permission from the owners to film on their land, I paid to make the call from the US to Rezzable’s UK office. They never contacted me in any way even though I left a voicemail saying the many ways they could reach me.

Human decency. They don’t have any respect for anyone but themselves. That was a project for *Linden Lab* which would have gotten them news coverage in the process, but noooooo. I hope someone uses Builder Bot on their little King Tut grid and puts it on MG to flaunt it.

Blahblahblahwhatever wrote “Prob some little twat irl who has some need to try and execute fear and power over ppl in sl cus he sucks irl. Poor. Thing”

You know, high school gunman springs to mind – Don’t underestimate what a mentally messed up human being can do and affect the rest of us just because they felt that ‘society let them down’. As the saying goes… always take responsibility for your actions, but some people seem to be incapable of doing that and want to blame and therefore hurt others.

Tenshi–citing hearsay and publishing chat logs, even for you this is a new low.

LOL @ admin

Tenshi, I wouldn’t mess with this RaR guy, he sounds like he keeps a collection of guns, and nazi paraphernalia in his mom’s basement where he lives.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add: most of RaR’s supporters/ fanbois are RL unemployed moochers and have never worked a day in their lives, that’s why they depend on the release of the Builderbot to make their SL lives a little bit more easier… FREE stuff for everyone! What a hero this guy is.

Phoenix Psaltery wrote “What I do have a problem with is the way you USE people, and then when things don’t work out financially for you, pack up shop like a snake oil salesman off to hit the next bunch of suckers.”

Kinda like Eric Bauman, the guy who made a small fortune by stealing content from the internet and reposting it on his website with his eBaum’s World logo on it. Maybe they are related in RL?

I am disappointed that this chatlog paste is also incomplete. I hope it wasn’t terminated at that point for shock effect.

In retrospect I’m also a little surprised that there isn’t a standard agreement with this kind of broadcast event where people accept that chatlogs will be collated *with transcription of the voice discussion* for unified publishing.
IMO this is essential before those who were not there, or who were there and want to review, can armchair-criticise in forum like this.

However the thing I really wasn’t expecting was the very prominent iceberg tip of mob emotion, and personal attacks from the same people who probably use second inventory, and will almost certainly need a tool like builderbot to export their sim builds if/when they decide to move into another metaverse because of some supposedly better content protection, or plans to insure the survival of their commercial interests through diversification.
Just because the origins of these tools are often initially used illegitimately shouldn’t mean we forget that they are also adaptable to become legitimate tools, and that their inception is almost always thanks to those persons who’s musings occupy a grey area between the ethical and the uncaringly curious.
Often such people have ethics of the highest order, yet the very nature of exploring the territory that fascinates them, and ultimately benefits us all means they fraternize and collaborate with the dark yet genius underbelly of the ethically dubious.
Tools like Second Inventory and Builder Bot have such origins.
Script kiddies, theft cartels, copybots and the stuff that strikes fear and hate into the hearts of commercial creators in the legal wild-west that is Metaverse commerce and Digital Rights Management at this time, are the same people that initially drive their discovery and subsequent rectification.
It’s only when such origins can be taken into the light of day by the entrepreneurial/cavalier (and hopefully responsible) among us, that legitimate and essential tools can emerge.
Bastard child or not.

We shouldn’t forget that its beneficial to have a legitimate corporate entity, based in a country with one of the oldest legal systems in the world (The U.K.), willing to spend serious capital in the quest for a better system, better tools, and ultimately to bash and coerce this very new concept of ‘Metaverse’ out of this pioneering era of all talk and not much action, and into the refined and reasonable system of rules and boundaries which many of us seem to assume it has already automagically become.

The main point of all this comes back to the general realisation that it’s not Linden Labs (or any metaverse creator’s) responsibility to police our Intellectual Property.
It’s the responsibility of persons wanting to protect their I.P.

Sure, tools can be used to take things that aren’t rightfully the property of those taking them. But until the discovery of that property being misused theres nothing that can be done about it. However in a digital world, assuming we do it right, and unlike in the real world, we have much more chance to be able to easily locate and address such misuse.
vis: http://www.google.com/alerts/ or http://webi.metaverseink.com …and the ease of communicating globally with your internet neighbours about any possible misuse of our stuff they have seen… as opposed to the ease and probable outcomes making a police report about a stolen car, mugging, or shoplifting incidence.

Entities making tools often have to knowingly break things outside their immediate control before the rest of us decide to motivate the fixing of what is the inherently broken element in the equation.

“In retrospect I’m also a little surprised that there isn’t a standard agreement with this kind of broadcast event where people accept that chatlogs will be collated *with transcription of the voice discussion* for unified publishing.
“IMO this is essential before those who were not there, or who were there and want to review, can armchair-criticise in forum like this.”

I’m a little surprised that BETLOG thought this was an official transcript of the chat that emerged after the Designing Worlds show. If we had proposed to make an official transcript, we would have said so, in order for people to judge their responses accordingly.

I think quite a lot of the views held by the audience were expressed in the show (not only relating to the BuilderBot, but also to the Content Management Roadmap and to the problems with third party viewers such a CryoLife and Emerald). But there was also an open, informal discussion after the show where there was a full and frank exchange of views, only some of which is recorded as it was conducted partially in text but largely in voice.

We’re certainly hoping to be able to have more shows like this, as it is clear these topics are of great importance to content creators and grid residents. As it was, Treet kept the cameras rolling on what is theoretically meant to be a half-hour show for the best part of an hour so that we could have a chance for audience feedback within the show.

Betlog is working on Builderbot for RaR.

@RightasRain – Unfortunately or Fortunately, depending how you look at it, TOS only applies to Linden owned blogs and other tools such as second life. There is no TOS violation in publishing chatlogs outside of the LL purview.

What? this RaR guy is forty-something and still acting like a retard… FAIL at running a business that exploits people, FAIL in responsibility, FAIL in ethics, and FAIL in popularity with successful people in SL. If he had any win in him, he might be able to see what he is doing wrong in life and change.

Maybe he’ll end up being successful at having his own Wikipedia entry just like Eric Baum. At least when SL goes to shit because of Builderbot, there will be plenty of people with extra time on their hands to make ‘tribute’ sites for RightasRain.

@Blahblahblahwhatever

LOL. Everything this guy touches turns to shit dust, have you ever met anyone made of so much FAIL?

@Business-In-Your-Box
“Betlog is working on Builderbot for RaR.”

No, I am not.
I did some completely unrelated work for Rezzable about a year ago, on more trivial LSL and building/sculpting stuff, but we have since parted ways.
I have absolutely no reason to push RaR’s nor Rezzables agendas. In fact if I wanted to jump on the rezzable bashing bandwagon I could probably stick a few daggers in too.
However I’m stating my own opinions. Not so much because I think my opinion is all-important, but because i see a need for some balance in what from every other quarter is starting to look like a pitchfork wielding mob attacking whatever seems convenient, and seemingly overlooking avenues where their energies would be better directed as something other than childish insults and sheer hate.
ie: constructive dialog with developers (which most of you have probably ruled yourselves out of simply by exhibiting such poor diplomacy/debating skills)
and addressing the wider issue of feature requests for creator tag and permissions portability between grids.

Business-In-Your-Box
You probably should avoid making unequivocal statements that make it seem like you are stating fact about me, as far as i know (given that you are basically an anonymous poster) you don’t know me.
You probably should also keep in mind, and I say this to you with some respect, that when you post vitriolic anonymous assumptions, it doesn’t help people to want to listen/read what you think. It starts to come across as juvenile anger crazed ranting pretty fast.

Even if i was working for RaR… I’d still be stating my own opinions.
Yes really.

“poorly worded contract”

I don’t doubt it. His whole website sounds like an illiterate kid trying tone professional and failing. I laugh everytime I read anything written by him.

And yes, I’m sure they did ( give him ip rights to their stuff )

After having worked closely with RaR, building sims and so forth, I can tell you in no uncertain terms that he cares not a jot for the content creators that made Rezzable what it is, all he sees is money and how he can profit.

In short, he’s a scumbag.

Luna: “it’s easy to package up a SIM with already existing tools that protect permissions – it only takes a few hours.”

What methods are you referring to?
Does it let you transfer between grids?
Does it let you do this all at once to the dozens of individual builders stuff in the sim, some.. er…many of whom completely fail at setting group share much less at setting proper perms, and some of whom have completely vanished into RL or yet another alt? Despite the fact that you may have paid for and own, their work, and therefore really have no reasonable requirement, legal or ethical, to label each prim with its original creators avatar name?
For several dozen sims or more?

Yes, in the most recent post Mr Rimbaud has stated that BuilderBot does respect creators’ rights and permissions, and I am delighted.

Some of my concern stemmed from the fact that – on the Designing Worlds show – Mr Rimbaud said that it was proposed to release the tool next week. As at that point, the stated Rezzable position was: “Assuming that the DRM checks can be added without too much effort or complication, we should be able to add that to the software offering”, I think my concern was understandable.

In his most recent blog post, he has stressed that when released, these checks will be in place, and that is excellent. Let’s hope that gives guidance to other individuals and organisations working on such back-up tools – and owners of Open Sim grids too.

But in my post, I did actually say “such a tool”. My concern is not just with BuilderBot but with the potential for tools of a similar nature to over-ride Intellectual Property rights. And another issue raised by Angela Talamasca in the show was the problems inherent in certain browsers.

I don’t want to indulge in scare tactics – heaven knows that is easy enough to do, and therefore we talked long and hard before we put the show on the air. We look at ways in which things can be made better, not worse. And a key issue is educating the public.

As I said on one of our IP shows, the situation is in some senses analogous to drink driving. Fifty years ago, no-one saw a problem with driving after a few drinks, providing you were ‘careful’. Indeed, in the UK, the introduction of the breathalyser was greeted with fury – such a gross infringement of rights!

But over the years, the social attitude has changed. People no longer see it as socially acceptable to drink and drive.

We need a similar change in attitude to the theft of Intellectual Property rights. And to do that, we need to make it absolutely clear what those rights are. We have to make it abundantly clear what the difference between SL perms and IP rights is – that have permission to copy, modify and transfer does NOT mean you can up and take it to another grid and strip the creator’s name from the object in the process.

I applaud Rezzable for doing the right thing now. I regret the fact that it took so much effort and pain for so many creators before it became clear what the right thing was.

And I deplore the fact that so many people still don’t get it … and that we have such a long and hard road ahead of us.