Frolic Mills runs Best Of SL Magazine and is important because, well, we don’t know why he’s important. What we do know is that he surely is gossiped about a lot. Mostly, he’s gossiped about for being an asshole. Like, the time he screwed his Miss Virtual World out of her prize money. Or how about the time he got Linden Lab and himself almost sued for using Donald Trump’s intellectual property? And, in one of my favorite Dbag moves tried to acquire a magazine he neither had a stake in nor paid for.
The “CEO” *plop plop fizz fizz* apparently contacted the staff of RUNWAY magazine when their owners left rather unexpectedly yesterday. I’ll give him this: dude does not waste any time. Apparently he had convinced the staff that they now worked for him and that he had taken control of their servers and subscriber kiosks. He immediately made new new groups for them to join, saying he was going to publish the mag under the Best Of SL network.
This sounds like your average company transfer, except company transfers usually involve someone BUYING the company that is folding, which Frolic never did. The RUNWAY owners had left the magazine to their staff to continue.
When RUNWAY owner Maggie Mahoney heard about what Frolic did, she shuttered the magazine for good, saying:
Any action of BOSL&CO acting on behalf of RUNWAY should be considered fraudulent and without the express consent of myself, Ocean Bates, RUNWAY, RUNWAY SL, RUNWAY Magazine or RUNWAY Productions.
I will retain the rights to the RUNWAY logo, branding, trademark and use of them will be in violation of DMCA. Mr. Mills and BOSL&CO, or any subsidiary thereof, do not have permission to use the RUNWAY name, logo, brand, trademark or any likeness thereof. It is unfortunate that Mr. Mills and BOSL&CO took advantage of the RUNWAY staff at a shocking time for them within hours of the announcement that Ocean and I had decided to leave SL.
I think that’s all there is to say about it. Good job maintaining your image as a corpse-picking vulture, Frolic!
–Iris
UPDATE: Apparently BOSL even put out a ‘press release’ yesterday. Here it is:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Re: Runway Magazine
Maggie Mahoney and Ocean Bates have left Second Life for personal reasons and we wish them the best of luck. She has left the magazine in the capable hands of their staff.
It is the wish of RUNWAY staff members to incorporate ouselves with the BOSL & CO group and continue to offer the very best of the modeling and fashion industry.
“I have always supported Runway Magazine and I will continue to support it for as long as I stay in SL” said Frolic Mills, new Publisher of Runway Magazine.
Expect the same concept but exiting new improvements as we quickly reorganize the quarters of Runway Magazine!
RUNWAY WILL CONTINUE ITS PUBLICATION AS ALWAYS !
Best Regards,
Emmz Tzara
Thalia Jie
Vera Canning
About Iris Seale
Holy crap, that is such an uberdouchey thing to do!
*shakes her head*
I’m not the least bit surprised…
how, um odd?
I’ve been debating myself about how to approach this issue. As a staff member of the magazine, it has come to a shock when I read Maggie’s post about the mag closure.
I won’t be speaking about what Frolic did or didn’t do because I wasn’t in the meetings and I don’t know how everything evolved until the point where he was going to publish the mag.
But I feel like there’s a BIG thing that is being left out here.
I know Maggie’s been having health problems for a while, I wasn’t really close to her, but I knew.
I’ve always been very grateful for the opportunity they gave me for working on the magazine, and I really enjoyed working with each an every one of the staff. I helped with the magazine website, blog, wrote articles, and even did some pics.
So yesterday I receive a offline notice from EmmZ saying that we were go have a meeting regarding Maggie’s post. Can you imagine my surprise?
(I’m gonna leave apart the fact that I wasn’t even mentioned in the staff list she added to the post, which really bugged me at first as all my plurk friends know:P – update: they have just added me… apparently “someone” told them i was left out”)
Later I found out that I wasn’t the only one:
NOBODY KNEW THEY WERE LEAVING!
All the staff found out the same way as the rest of SL did….
by that “creepy” blog post… honestly i first thought they had passed away in RL!!!!
Do you think that’s the right thing to do when you care about “tremendously fabulous and dedicated staff”?
I seriously dont think so! It would be a mature and resposible thing to get together or send a previous notice to us explaining the situation.
So, honestly I really give a damn about who takes over the idea, the mag or whatever, what really dissapointed me was the way Maggie and Ocean behaved toward us.
Oh did I mention that neither of us got paid for our last months job? No, of course… that wasnt told anywhere… So at least I wasnt paid, and I asked somebody else and told me that no one was….
So… maybe Frolic didn’t behave correctly… but neither had Maggie or Ocean…
Dealing with such a horrible illness doesn’t have to take away your values or make you sooo disrespectful towards your “staff”. I’m sure if they have come to us and told us that they couldn’t pay us, that the mag was having money issues and that they were leaving SL would have been much more understandable that doing things in this cowardly way!
I’m sorry if somebody doesn’t like this comment, but I can’t stand unfairness or disrespect.
Leah
I meant to write our “last MONTH” not months!! just for april
wow…
[quote]So… maybe Frolic didn’t behave correctly… but neither had Maggie or Ocean…[quote]
I have only good things to say about Maggie and Ocean best people i ever met in SL, helpfull and kind and sometimes its easier to do what they did its hard to say “goodbye” So i actual understand them very well because i dont think i could say goodbye to all the people i had met during my years in SL.
Runway will allways be with me in my groups and memories.
Max
Seems to me that your payment was the gift of an established magazine and the opportunity to continue it but the owners felt that selling out to Frolic and BOSL was a cop out on the staffs part. If it was me I would have pulled together with the rest of the staff and made a go with it and split the profits between you equally as new owners. That is what they did for you and none of you saw it. You panicked and ran to the almighty Frolic who would have destroyed it and made it glitzy crap like everything else he does. I personally am glad to see that they came back and decided to stop him from doing that and I am sure others will agree with me. But going boss shopping was your mistake and the ultimate downfall of Runway. You had the opportunity to take it and continue it.
I hope that Maggie and Ocean are happy to be away from drama-zones and enjoy real life and was very sorry to hear of her real life problems with her health. I wish them both the best but will miss reading Runway.
“Apparently he had convinced the staff that they now worked for him”
“It is the wish of RUNWAY staff members to incorporate ouselves with the BOSL & CO group and continue to offer the very best of the modeling and fashion industry.”
From the piece released by Emmz, Thalia and Vera, it was their wish to be incorporated. Doesn’t sound to me, from their own wording, as though he had convinced anyone of anything.
Worse of all Leah is that none of the staff members were paid, and Frolic did offer to help us with this financial burden. But now, after seeing Maggie’s reaction, he wants nothing to do with Runway.
So basically we were screwed by Maggie Mahoney BIG TIME !!
Want me to post the Runway kids chat in here people where I ask for the working models of SL’s opinions on this matter?
I think that as any SL drama you need more than one side of the story before you make an statement, I’m wondering why would Frolic Mills want RUNWAY (remember its caps !) when he has BOSL ? And why does Maggie Mahonney suddently resurrect to claim that RUNWAY magazine is no longer in hands of her staff, which is what she stated on the previous post, which btw was for some reason edited today *rolls eyes*.
That goodbye post is pretty creepy ….. If she is so sick she can’t continue with the magazine she should have at least meet with her staff and explain them the situation, is she is so so so sick she can’t be on the computer, her business partner Ocean Bates should have remain in SecondLife and solve all the issues before dissapearing.
Was the staff paid? And designers that had paid for 3 months advertising and shows reimbursed their money?
Ok be serious !! They had legal issues….they took the money and run !! Yay…but of course there is always a way to blame someone else for all of it right Maggie? Frolic was an easy target…theres a lot of people waiting for an opportunity to jump on him …
Didn’t the staff meet with Frolic? I wonder why everyone else is sudently sooo quiet about it …. I want to know how he threatened them ….
@Jonny — YES!
There seems to be other names on that press release? I see now the staff was left to their own devices, therefore maybe Frolic “stepped up” to handle the matter? I dunno… just wondering? I love Maggie, she was always sweet to me and I’m *glad* she is taking care of herself but from Leah’s response it looks like the staff that it was “left” to had no idea it was being abandoned.
Just sayin is alls. And I’ve been drinking. YAY! DRUNK COMMENTS ON SCD!
I realize this is hearsay, but I just read on a plurk thread that some money did change hands? Like, to the tune of $800 US. Details are skimpy at best, though.
The whole thing is quite odd.
This is totally NOT shocking – on either parties actions.
Frolic has pulled his stunts over and over, and still some think he is the “cat’s meow” Misrepresenting things, then twisting things to work in favor.
On the other side of this coin – is Maggie and Ocean – whom have in the past shown less than favorable actions. In both dealing with advertisers, as well as with “employees”
I am pretty sure MANY were not paid – I know I was not paid for “Lead Photography” done in previous issues. So this goes to the list of lessons learned.
The “obit” that was written by Maggie, was in my opinion, in very poor taste, and made me ill reading it. It seemed in a mockery.
One thing I have to say – is that I expect both of them to return, if they’ve not already as alts – one thing Frolic has not done – even being the douchebag he is – he remains the same.
Mr. Mills will make accusations that RUNWAY owed him a considerable sum of money, which is not true.
Mr. Mills provided Maggie Mahoney 800USD to pay a personal account on his behalf, which was done, and proof has been provided to Mr. Mills. RUNWAY in no way had any outstanding monetary obligation to Mr. Mills or BOSL&CO or any of its subsidiaries.
In regards to Mr. Tobias’ question about asking if the readers of SCD would like to read the chat regarding his question. No one who is in this chat has given permission for him to post this, nor is this appropriate behavior from someone who cares about the integrity of a private group.
Mr. Tobias is no longer a part of this group, and if he does post this, it is against the TOS of Second Life(tm) and also a very insensitive and unkind thing to do to a group that he has been a part of for a very long time.
This is my opinion and thoughts as the Founder and Team Leader of Runway Kidz.
+Summer Deadlight+
@summer — no it is nt against the TOS and he doesn’t need your permission. The TOS only applies to items that LL owns — like their forums or their grid. It doesn’t apply to SCD.
Yes thank you for the clarification. We found out the proper information.
To Max and Michelo…
As I said, I have nothing against any of them… I’ve know Maggie and Ocean for a long time and they were always good to me… I’m very greatful for the opportunity to work at Runway.
BUT, I’m very dissapointed with how they handled this. You might love a person with all your heart, but they might dissapoint you at a particular time.
Does it change everything they have done in the past? of course not, but in THIS, they didnt do the right thing.
And please, sure it is hard to say goodbye…. but that’s part of what life is about… but leaving all your friends without a word????? cmon!! being hard it’s not an excuse!!!!!
quote: “Seems to me that your payment was the gift of an established magazine and the opportunity to continue it” unquote
Are you serious? I consider my time and work valuable, dont you consider yours as such?
I respect people’s work and NEVER ever take their time and effort for granted… you can ask around…. I’m not rich whatsoever, nor in RL or SL, I love helping everybody, charity events, giving gifts to friends, customers…… it’s part of who I am….. I repeat… if they had come to us and told us the situation, i wouldnt have mind if they didnt pay me or whatever…. but just leaving… oh no THAT i don’t agree and I dont think it’s fair at all!
I am just sick over this. Sick in my heart, sick in my stomach.
Sometimes people just need to leave SL period. Yes the staff should have been paid and that’s a big no no. But sometimes in a haste to clean things up people get overlooked in goodbyes and thank yous. Leah you contribute much to SL so if they overlooked you I can understand your hurt. But maybe they just forgot so I wouldn’t take it too much to heart.
I don’t know Frolic Mills except for one conversation I had with him about a year ago and he assumed I knew who he was, LOL. But the memo released made it look like the merger was ok with the staff. There is a voting mechanism feature in groups I believe, maybe that should have been utilized rather than using chat.
Anyway, Leah keep rockin and rollin – you do a lot for peeps here.
oh sorry, that posted as Lizzie. Leah this is Elizabeth Hallstrom – you remember me, the crazy bitch who gave up her shopping mall? Shit happens ya know and sometimes you just got to step away from things for a bit.
OMG, just look at the comments here. Try doing some research before posting something huh? Or why don’t you merge with the idiots over at slinworldtoday and just admit to being another crap blog that is out for drama and nothing else. To summarize:
Worse of all Leah is that none of the staff members were paid, and Frolic did offer to help us with this financial burden. But now, after seeing Maggie’s reaction, he wants nothing to do with Runway.
So basically we were screwed by Maggie Mahoney BIG TIME !!
(You just helped Maggie screw over these people by keeping Frolic from helping them–sure, it was mutualy helpful, but now Runway will be no more. Who does that benefit?)
NOBODY KNEW THEY WERE LEAVING!
All the staff found out the same way as the rest of SL did….
by that “creepy†blog post… honestly i first thought they had passed away in RL!!!!
Do you think that’s the right thing to do when you care about “tremendously fabulous and dedicated staff�
I seriously dont think so! It would be a mature and resposible thing to get together or send a previous notice to us explaining the situation.
So, honestly I really give a damn about who takes over the idea, the mag or whatever, what really dissapointed me was the way Maggie and Ocean behaved toward us.
(Maggie and Ocean were so wonderful that they left without warning to staff and let some staff think they died in RL??? How morbit!)
Oh did I mention that neither of us got paid for our last months job? No, of course… that wasnt told anywhere… So at least I wasnt paid, and I asked somebody else and told me that no one was….
(Staff was screwed out of a month’s pay and still Maggie and Ocean are amazing, wonderful people??)
If I remember correctly, that morbit obituary stated that the magazine had been left to the staff to do with AS THEY WISHED. It is totally unethical of these two to have denied their staff advance notice of their closure, post a misleading blog that could be read as their RL deaths and then deny them the way to make sure the magazine survives. Whose the douchebag now?
Sorry to hear some folks got sideswiped by a bad situation. Collateral damage always sucks. Hopefully they were not depending on the money for tier. Time will heal it up. SL time moves fast.
/end seriousness
Let’s start a new magazine called Scaffold & Gallows to cover the inner world of SL Fashion Drama!
Well, Ann, do you think that magazine would maybe, I don’t know, research before publishing?
oh yeah we need a good rag mag with all the gossip and hearsay ;P
I may be naive, but could it be she’s not coming out on top with her breast cancer? Could it be that chemotherapy has her so sick that no, mmonroe, she might not feel like sitting at a computer? I don’t know her or Ocean, I’m just giving her the benefit of the doubt. Only in SL do we forget that breast cancer and other serious illnesses magnify the importance of rl. Then again, maybe ya’ll are right. The point of this post is that Frolic Mills jumped on this opportunity to take over a business at a moment of weakness, knowing the employees had no time to organize or make a roadmap of their business direction.
This is kind of expected.
Between Frolic and Giancarlo Costa Rica sims, they did not pay well known designers who designed gowns and there is a significant amount of leary designers now who will not touch them for fear of the drama.
You only have to read the blogs to see the gossip and conduct.
Frolic owes a significant sum to a least one other designer who have all pulled support. Easy to read between the lines on that one.
The thing is Costa Rica do a good job with their community (overpriced land but build a nice environment) whereas Frolic simply is what – an avatar fueled by – what exactly.
I fail to see what benefit these people add to SL, other than to create faux empires of terrible gaudy designs.
Well worth researching who they owe money too it’s quite telling and which relationships have been canned by creators linked to them.
I do not like the tone of this post. It has no objectivity and it does not represent what has happened – it is yet again attack on someone.
Sure Frolic is an easy target, he is ego maniac – love it or leave it but he actually did not do anything wrong which this post proposes.
Mr & Mrs Runway have left without goodbyes owing money left right and center – all we had was one post in which they state they leave the mag to staff to do what they like with it.
Staff actually contacted Frolic and he agreed to inherit the magazine and sort out the financial aspect – how good is that? And now he is getting bashed for situation that was a mess to begin with.
The RUNAWAYS came back as decision of their staff was not to their liking. Instead of throwing the baby with water and spending so much time on creating yet another sl drama in their departure, they should have spend that energy on exiting gracefully. I am sure that amount of effort that it took to protest against a decision of remaining stuff could have been used to sort this situation with staff, advertisers and public.
If you have left – why are you back?
Ocean and Maggie could have dealt with situation better and to use Frolic as escape goat is just another cherry on already high calorie “not typical model’s snack” CAKE.
And look, everyone is coming to the party already.
Krissy, the employees turned to Frolic, and ill or not, Maggie could’ve given her employees notice that she was closing the magazine and warned them that she couldn’t pay their final month’s salary. That’s where ethics would lead a good person. Unethical people just run away leaving good people lost and confused and hurt as Maggie did. Even when I was ill and had to leave, I let all the people who would be affected by it know it was likely to happen. The “oh, she’s sick” argument doesn’t hold water because she knew this would affect many people and she had time to that “obituary.” She could’ve used that time to alert her staff and make plans for the magazine. Instead, she abandoned the people who worked hard for her and for the magazine. Not good in my book.
By the way, the exact line in the distasteful obituary was “It has been left to the staff if they desire to continue its legacy” which seems to indicate that the rights were passed to the staff to do with as they desired to continue its legacy. The tantrum following the staff taking steps to continue its legacy has destroyed its legacy and harmed those who have dedicated themselves to the magazine. This, sadly, is total failure and a loss to the SL community when the publication could’ve continued seamlessly had the diva act not emerged.
@Erin – I agree with you 100% as it relates to real life, but fact is this is Second Life. And *if* indeed she is faced with a life-threatening moment in her illness then it’s likely that Second Life was the furthest thing from her mind and perhaps seemed trivial after all. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. Like I said, I don’t even know her. And I do agree with you it’s a shame they didn’t take more time to phase themselves out of their SL business in a proper way. I’m just as immersed in SL as the next person, but it has it’s place in the grand scheme of things.
Krissy, look at the “obit.” Second Life was hardly the furthest thing from her mind. http://www.runwaysl.com/blog/?p=1086 There’s the link for you so you can go take a look. If she were truly at a life-threatening moment, she wouldn’t have written that. In fact, if she were so focused on first life, rather than Second Life, she would’ve made a tiny post that said, “I’m very ill and Ocean and I can no longer run the magazine or be involved with Second Life. Sorry for the short post.” The time she spent writing that could’ve been spent informing staff, explaining why they wouldn’t be paid for the hard work they put in this last month, making plans for the future, etc. Instead, she and Ocean ran. The quality of that “obituary’s” writing is where the flaw in reasoning is here. It’s well thought out, although very morbid, and very well written, just like a perfect press release. Someone with more focus on health or real life would not have done that. Unfortunately, her creativity there also shows her unethical behavior which has hurt the people who have been the driving force behind Runway for so long.
Erin you are right about the “obit”. The first time I read it, this morning I didn’t think anything of it. But reading it again it is a little morbid to say they “passed back into real life”…. I don’t know about that but it’s not really the point Iris was making in her post.
Wow…this is just….sad.
I have known both Maggie and Ocean and they have been nothing but nice to me and the people that work for them. I’ve never heard a word of ill spoken toward them. Yeah, maybe it could have been handled better, but she is human just like everyone of you posting here (well most of you-lol) and sometimes making hard decisions when things are falling apart around you playing out every possible scenario of things that might happen as a result is not considered. I do not know Frolic well, but I do know that he and Maggie at one time were close friends. If the staff came to him with this offer, he should have maybe spoken to her before putting out that press release to let her know. But the damage is done now. Runway is gone, relationships ruined and everyone gets to gossip. 
ahh I love SCD
and as for Douche Face…that just god damn ballsy…
Good Grief…. remind me never to go on holiday again. Here I am, sitting in Hong Kong, everything was just fine when I left – thought I’d check my mail… and look what’s happened!
Regardless of right, wrong, or who did what to whom, RUNWAY was fun, fabulous, and I for one thoroughly enjoyed my time there. Lets focus on the memories, wish it goodbye, and move on from the finger pointing and gossip.
Is bullshit too…
“With the help of a brilliantly talented staff, they pushed the envelope and made RUNWAY the best and only magazine in Second Life dedicated solely to fashion. ”
what a crock o shit.
i suppose we shouldn’t even get into stealing the name of the magazine from the movie “the devil wears prada”
Quite the thread.
My reaction is simple. Bad things happen. Sometimes things are handled ungracefully. We all decide, in the end, how to react to such things based on our own personal values, ethos and degree of personal hurt.
Forgiveness, that rarest of human interactions, is always a consideration, but not always the best choice, nor within reach.
Attempting to determine the “right” answer is always an exercise of relativism projected onto a screen too big to fit it gracefully.
So why do we think Runway staff actually went to Frolic to start this? Just because he said so?
I cannot agree more. What Maggie and Ocean did was despicable. She was one of the most trusted, thoughtful and professional people out there.
For Maggie to suddenly treat all these people who worked for her like this is a sign of a changed person. Her RL condition must have gotten serious enough for her to change the way she handles issues.
Maggie Mahoney and Ocean Bates should have handled things properly. Unwind the business, pay the staff, and allow them to decide to either continue or to close the magazine as a group. You do not do this to people you say you care for and respect.
I wrote a big opinion about this whole mess on my blog.
Check it out! http://sldailybuzz.blogspot.com/
No Interesting, not because Frolic said so, but because they did and they say they did. Read above the post of Sickashell, obviously a Staff member telling us how things went.
No one is so sick that they have time to build a web “mock obit” complete with photo montages of themselves (and sell their sim) yet not have the common decency to refund the money prepaid by their COPIOUS advertisers for future ads, pay their TREASURED staff for work performed, and oh, I dunno, inform people who were involved in a thoughtful manner.
RUNWAY Magazine is a real world magazine. Trademarked. Maybe the idea for the SL version is from Devil Wears Prada. Maybe from the real RUNWAY Magazine. As even the font is a direct copy it takes the wind from the sails that one could be slapped with a DMCA for future inworld use.
As for Frolic. Everyone knows he’s irrelevant. Including Frolic. His sole interest was probably in folding yet even more ads into his current ad catalog “magazine.”
This is what it is. Another instance of people taking the money and running while trying to justify their actions with a RL health issue. I will never be convinced that Maggie’s illness makes this behavior ok and acceptable. Ocean could have wrapped things up and done the right thing. And, again, an elaborate, photo-montage laden mock obituary coupled with the sale of the sim is a clear indicator there IS/WAS time to close this business with integrity, class and thoughtfulness.
http://www.thebosl.com/features/news/51-bosl-announcements/279-re-runway-magazine
Comment from Frolic Mills re this ‘incident’
Repasted…
“OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE Re: Runway Magazine
BOSL NEWS – BOSL ANNOUNCEMENTS
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE
Re: Runway Magazine
Maggie Mahoney just made a press release accusing BOSL to have taken advantage of the RUNWAY Staff by quickly ‘moving’ to get the magazine.
I find this quite interesting since it was the staff who invited me to their meeting, and it was their decision to let BOSL run it. I offered to help out specially because of all the outstanding contracts she left unfulfilled and for which she gave no refunds at all.
RUNWAY MAGAZINE is in financial liability and will no longer have any working servers inworld. My only intention with acquiring this magazine was to rescue the good name and reputation of the publishing world, and to help the RUNWAY staff keep their jobs. There is no other advantage.
But, since she has made it clear that she does not want BOSL to be involved with RUNWAY MAGAZINE, I will now gladly return it to all the staff members.
Maggie Mahoney resigned from RUNWAY and left it to her staff with full permissions to do as they pleased. Therefore, Maggie Mahoney has no longer any rights over RUNWAY MAGAZINE nor logos and should not be heard in any future decision making.
I wish all the Runway staff the best of luck.
And as for me, I will do what I do best. I will create my own branding of fashion excellence.
Sincerely,
Frolic Mills
BOSL CEO”
BAWAHAHAHAHA “FASHION ELEGANCE”
“And as for me, I will do what I do best. I will create my own branding of fashion excellence.”
QUOTED.
*crying*
I am gonna walk around saying shit like “And as for me, I will do what I do best. I will create my own branding of bukkake excellence.”
WHO TALKS LIKE THIS? ARE WE ON A RERUN OF KNOT’S LANDING?
Now that I have returned my body to an upright position from the best laughing attack since 1982, I will ask just exactly what is Frolic’s “branding of fashion excellence?” The designers who choose to align themselves with this talentless snake oil salesman are the ones who doubt their own talent and need to be validated with meaningless “Best OF!” tags.
“And as for me, I will do what I do best. I will create my own branding of fashion excellence.”
Fashion excellence? Lemme guess – BOSLF! LMAO or Frolic’s Closet! This is a man who could not find fashion excellence if he had a road map. He is rude, arrogant, and obnoxious to the point that he has now made himself delirious.
Frolic defines excellence as gawdy! Look at that horrible auditorium, the texturing is deplorable. The build is fabulous, but I doubt Mr. Thibaud actually textured it like that with the repeats off and everything so mismatched.
An idea! Since Runway is gone now sadly maybe the staff should do an Anti-BOSL magazine and put Queen Frolic out of business before he muscles someone else.
I am totally putting on an orange skin and a Nicky Ree pale blue pantsuit circa 1989 in honour of this.
This guy I used to know has a link in his profile about how his “sl-art” got press from BSOL and like, idk, but don’t Frolic & co charge places to write about them? Like yes, we will talk about you if you pay us, so it is sorta like advertising under the guise of an interview.
All I know is a I LOVE BOSL, it makes me feel like I am in Miami drug dealer crystal swan and spray tan and big blond hair and extreme slider breast world.
Can we nominate Frolic as KING OF ALL SL?
Fashion excellence…no, just NO.
I think he has already self-nominated for that title. Didn’t you get the notice! I am sure he sent one out – he does for everything else.
Hello people! Let’s all forget about Frolic Mills, yeah he is a douchebag and we all know that!
The main issue here is MAGGIE MAHONEY AND OCEAN SCREWED A LOT OF ADVERTISERS AND DESIGNERS!
A lot of these people had paid them ahead of time, some even paying as much as 50k. Maggie is supposed to do some fashion shows that designers have already paid for.
How can we glorify such people who leave SL with the money that people paid them for services that they havent rendered??? Yeah, I hear a lot of people saying they’re nice. But the fact that this is SL and we dont know what they are in rl makes it harder to say if their intentions are good.
I am still scratching my head here.
Da fuck does that mean, Frolic? *blank ass stare*
Opps I forgot.
The lesson here:
NEVER PAY ANYTHING IN ADVANCE NO MATTER HOW ‘NICE’ THEY ARE!
Gattina don’t you dare copy my look….orange skin and gawdy threads (circa 1989) got me some model cred
)) lol
Frolic…while they’re talking about you this week sweetie they’re leaving some other poor sucker alone. You’ve done some good stuff in SL man and with that comes the knockers (and I don’t mean tits).
God SL is annoying the shit out of me lately….it can be a hateful place sometimes. Maybe time for me to pack up the marbles and get out. Too many brain fucked ppl with not a moral fibre between them. It seems that lately I’ve heard so many stories of ppl fucking over other ppl (both figuratively and literally) that have played with ppl’s emotions and quite frankly, should have known better being adults and all. This place is becoming a health hazard.
Runway Magazine….yawn. Next.
P.S. I never swear in print.
I knew there were going to be people on Maggie and Ocean’s side and people on Frolic’s side taking bashes at each other, but my following comments are coming from a former staff member’s side.
I was hired on the RUNWAY staff as a feature’s photographer a couple of months ago. We were told that after the issue came out, was when we would get paid. For the March issue I worked on, I got paid a few hours after the issue came out. We started work like normal for the April issue and it came time to have our typical end of month meeting. We had this meeting on April 3rd at 3pm SLT. We were told that Maggie would not be able to join due to RL issues (we were told her mother was going through RL surgery, illness) and that Ocean would lead the meeting. Business went on like normal during this meeting (I had to leave in the middle of the meeting but received notecard with the rest of meeting notes on it). There was NO indication during this meeting that in a few days, we’d have the biggest shock of our lifes.
We were told by Ocean via notice after the meeting that paychecks would be sent out the next day for work down on the April issue and that it would be coming out in a couple of days. Saturday came and went, no paychecks. Sunday came with no paychecks but a notice again from Ocean asking who did an article (we assumed something was wrong with the article and therefore, the lack of our paychecks and issue being out). Monday morning, Maggie signed on and at 8:16am slt, I received my copy of the April issue. I immed Maggie and told her how great the issue looked and hoped her mother was doing well. She didn’t respond and shortly signed offline. Monday and Tuesday, I saw Ocean and Maggie online through-out the day but still NO PAYCHECK or word from our dear bosses.
I wake up Wednesday and check my email and see a couple of staff notices from our lead photographer and stylist saying we need to hold an emergency staff meeting at 11am slt because of the recent blog. Curious, I go to http://www.runwaysl.com/blog and my stomach drops. In shock, I call my partner and babble about what’s going on. 11am slt rolls around and I tp to the RUNWAY conference room to see fellow staff and a woman who is talking about letting us use the land for our meeting, how she’s moritifed that Maggie and Ocean wouldn’t have even told us. Apparently, the RUNWAY sim was sold by Maggie and Ocean a few days earlier and it was in Linden Lab’s hands. So not only do we, the staff get the biggest shock of this SUDDEN blog, but they sold the sim right from under us too? Our lead photographer and stylist (two members of staff that have been there the longest) headed up the meeting and we were told that Frolic Mills had been invited to this meeting. We held the meeting in voice chat and in regular chat. Frolic told us that a few days ago, Maggie and Ocean came to him saying that they were wanting to leave and focus on RL together, but he did not know this is what they would pull. Being that RUNWAY was left to us “dear staff”, we as STAFF, were offered to work for BOSL and also be absorbed into the BOSL umbrella. There was no mention that he would take over EVERYTHING, but to bring RUNWAY with BOSL with our stylist and lead photographer as our editors, new bosses. The general feeling of this meeting was anger that this had been done to us by people we trusted and we had a few staff members overjoyed of the new RUNWAY that was to come. More freedom, different styles looked at, etc. We decided to have another meeting on Friday to discuss more things. Frolic created a new RUNWAY group and gave our lead photographer and stylist all permissions to do as they wish with the group.
After this meeting, I’m feeling a bit calmer, still pissed and feeling betrayed by Maggie and Ocean…but felt positive that my two staff members would make great new bosses.
The following day, I get a few notices on this new RUNWAY group from Frolic saying that apparently Maggie was taking back her parting gift of RUNWAY from us “dear staff” and that he offered the staff positions at BOSL, to IM him if we wanted to join BOSL and that the new group would be closed. Confused, I go to the RUNWAY blog and see that Maggie had posted yet AGAIN (I was wondering why she was online that morning if she and Ocean had abrutly left). Disgusted, I read that she accused Frolic of coming in and just taking over things and that we were taken advantage of and her “heartfelt” feelings towards us. That she was taking BACK RUNWAY from us and was closing it for good.
I do not know what happened after everyone left that staff meeting, but someone felt Frolic wanted to completely take over RUNWAY and obviously, Maggie didn’t like what the abandoned staff decided to do, so she took it back.
There was no thoughtfulness for the feelings or future of Maggie and Ocean’s staff, advertisers or anyone that would be affected by their abrubt departure. There’s going to be people defending Maggie and Ocean and then those that will defend Frolic…but it’s the STAFF that have gotten the worst part of this.
We were abandoned by the people we trusted. We were, putting it nicely, screwed out of money and I’m sure all the advertisers that payed $7,000 – $12,000L for May issue advertisements felt screwed too. Between the days of the meeting, issue coming out to the very planned blog post, Maggie and Ocean had time to correctly close out things, refund money to advertisers, pay their staff and let people know they wanted to leave SL. Speaking of, where DID all that money go, that part just perplexes me. I also find it funny that on the blog posted that they passed back into RL on Monday April 6th 2006. Funny, the same day Maggie was online and sent out the April issue of the magazine!! The blog was posted on the 8th btw.
Btw, there was no mentioning by Maggie or anybody that knew her well in the staff that she was “ill”. It was known however that her RL mother was ill. So because of a “personal battle with cancer”, it could have meant her mother, not Maggie. I hope they are “living happily ever after in real life”, but know that they have lost all respect and credibility with MANY people after this stunt.
This is fucked up all around. I am sorry to read that people were abandoned without pay or refunds. I advertised in one issue, the last one, what was going to be a continued thing.
I never planned on advertising in or distributing the mag at my main store. I didn’t think the mag fit in a huge volcanic, motorcycle realm. But Ocean contacted me out of the blue one day and insisted it did. He was right, people were subscribing from my location.
I guess I won’t see Ocean log on anymore. He was a pleasure to talk to.
*eats popcorn*
It’s unfortunate that Maggie is sick and I wish her well. It’s unfortunate that things turned out the way they did, and it’s unusual for Ocean Bates to close his account and not refund the money to people who had already paid for advertising. I have one friend who paid for advertising through June, which was 6 months paid in advance. This was L$50k paid in December, which worked out to about L$8333 a month, so he should have been refunded about L$16,700 or so (and yes I rounded to avoid a certain series of numbers, out of consideration for our more superstitious types).
Dear Sick As Hell,
Please stay on topic, which is the way RUNWAY was closed down.
“OMG, just look at the comments here. Try doing some research before posting something huh? Or why don’t you merge with the idiots over at slinworldtoday and just admit to being another crap blog that is out for drama and nothing else….”
“Oh did I mention that neither of us got paid for our last months job? No, of course… that wasnt told anywhere… So at least I wasnt paid, and I asked somebody else and told me that no one was….”
(Maggie and Ocean were so wonderful that they left without warning to staff and let some staff think they died in RL??? How morbit!)
…If I remember correctly, that morbit obituary . Whose the douchebag now?”
1) It’s “morbid”, with a “d”, not “morbit”
2) It’s “who’s” as in, “who is”, not “whose”
3) You complain of not getting paid, which is not a problem I have ever had.
4) Before you call someone else an idiot, you might want to check yourself.
Dear Johnny Barb,
Iota Ultsch was not paid for the gown she designed for Miss Costa Rica because she failed to produce what she was hired to do. She did produce a beautiful gown, but she was hired to create a national costume, styled after the Costa Rica national bird, which is the Quetzal (think Vegas Showgirl). This costume was a required part of the wardrobe for Miss Costa Rica’s participation in the Miss Virtual World pageant. She had admitted her failure to consult the information that was initially given to her, and realized her oversight when she presented the final gown. She then became hostile, and reacted in dramatic manner. She also did give the gown to Miss Costa Rica, Maxie Daviau, but it has been reported that she is also selling that gown in her store as an “off the rack” dress. As a custom builder, I do not sell custom work at a retail prefab level, because this makes it no longer custom.
Not afraid to say who I am,
Rawly Rousselot
No Title Required
P.S. For Jori Watler–you might want to refrain from making remarks about the character of other people, otherwise you might make yourself look like even more of an ass when you realize the people you make those remarks to know Xochi Tolsen, Blazin Aubret, and Tristan Careless, amongst others.
What mames me laugh is that this thread was started by someone not associated with any of the dealings that occured between the staff of runway and Mr. Mills.
Unless you were there, you should not speculate.
But since you opened the door on this…. staff was screwed, they reached out for help, Mahoney didn’t like, and took back what she gave. Pretty poor if you ask me.
I don’t know Mohoney, Bates or Mills from a gnat…. but don’t fault someone who was asked to help, only because someone (the screwers) didn’t like it. Truth is… Mahoney and Bates screwed their staff. They should be ashamed of themselves. Mills is only guilty of helping those that asked for it. If he is any of what others say he is, well sobeit, but it has no bearing on what happened (based on accounts from staff members written above).
This is hilarious to read. Personally I think Iris owes Frolic an apology, even if he is a Dbag. To make these comments about him, based on a blog is total without facts. The comments are led to defame someone in an incident that, according to runway staff members who have posted, he has no fault on.
Iris, were you at this meeting? Do you have first hand knowledge of what really went down at this staff meeting? I say the answer to both questions is “no”.
Fact are facts. If you bothered to read BOTH blogs posted by Maggie, she left the magazine to the staff. She should have kept on walking at that point. But no, let’s add more drama to the mix. She comes back the next day, pulls it away from the group she gave it to and now extinguishes it.
According to comments from actual staff members, staff were not paid, and who knows how many advertisrs have lost their money due to these thieves running out like this.
Is Mr. Frolic everything you say? I honestly don’t care. In the incident that this thread is based on, he did no wrong. Staff members have said he was invited to the meeting. A press release issued written by THREE staff members of Runway Magazine – the magazine that Maggie GAVE to the staff (and later took back).
So, Iris, stop being a drama queen. Stop inciting arguments because you may or may not like someone. Feel free to post your thoughts, but perhaps make sure you have ALL the facts BEFORE posting.
All you talk about in your post is how Frolic tried to do this or that. Not once do you mention the REAL victims of this whole fiasco – the Runway Staff and advertisers. State the facts, Iris. If anyone is a Dbag in this thread, it is you.
By the way – with so many magazines in RL called Runway, how can Maggie lay claim to the trademark and any copyrights? I would think RL magazines should probably sue her for infringement of some kind. Gee just go to http://www.runwaybeauty.com/ and tell them that Maggie has all trademarks for that name. Yes, the magazine name is RUNWAY!! Oh wait, if SHE holds the trademarks, maybe SHE should sue them. Yeah Right.
P.S.S.
You are a POMPOUS ASS!! DO us all a favor and have a cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
P.S.S.S
My comment was meant for you Rawly Rousselot. I just read your profile in world. You are a Will Knot. A piece of shit that just Will Knot come off.. get a life and get out of everyone else’s!
mmm popcorn
/me “lawls @ Angelique Latzo…
Please feel free to browse my profile…especially the “House of Gestures” pick…
“Profanity is the result of a small mind trying to express itself in a big way…”
“Face Palms”
You just don’t get it do you Rawly?? No one cares what you have to say in here or in world. Your pathetic attempts to be little others, only prove you have all the makings of a insecure, self righteous, small man.
“The true means of being misled is to believe oneself finer than the others..”
Duc de La Rochefoucauld
So far I have just been reading and not commenting. What this thread has turned into just further sickens me about the whole thing. Name calling, and airing of other past real and imagined grievances don’t add anything of importance to this discussion. Those of us on staff are grieving a loss. Loss of friends, job, money, and family. This entire scene is a huge shock. Everything that has happened is something that was unimaginable based on past experience with Ocean and Maggie.
I was a member of Runway staff. I was there at the meeting. I am one of the staff that wasn’t thrilled when it was announced that Runway would become part of BOSL. Mainly because I wanted to see Runway continue as an independent publication with full creative and editorial control in house. Not because it was Frolic.
Frolic didn’t strong arm the staff. He was invited by the senior staff that had the most stake in Runway. My major complaint is that it was done so quickly and in a time when all had just experienced a major emotional shock. I don’t fault anyone for the decisions they made. I didn’t agree with the decisions but I wasn’t aware of all of the factors that lead them to do as they did. At the time they felt it was right and they were doing the best they could in difficult circumstances.
Frolic is a business man, this was a good business move for him. No matter what some of you feel about past issues, Frolic was simply making a smart business move at the invitation of senior staff.
Sharron Schuman
If you don’t care what I have said, then why are you responding to it in the first place?
“Suck it, bitch”–Kathy Griffin.
Maybe the important thing to keep in mind is that all of this is fantasy. This shows how quickly someone can “pull the plug”. Take off, disappear. Any entity in second life can dry up and blow away in minutes. Does anyone really know the people behind the rich and famous avatars? Perhaps a select few know the true identity..or do they? hmm Do we really care? For about $30 usd any Joe or Jane Schmoe can create a second life supermodel. Last time i checked prims were as free as pixel air. In the early days of Second Life, there were many more unique and creative avatars seen about. Pixel evolution has made it difficult to be unique i suppose. With the availability of so many exceptional skin designers, its pretty easy to be a “hot avatar”. What i find beautiful in people is the way they share thier ideas and the way they treat one another.
As far as the weight you place in your image…”pretty is as pretty does”
Rawly
LMAO !! You are truly a moron .. have you read your quotes?
Rawly Quote # 1. “Profanity is the result of a small mind trying to express itself in a big way…â€
Rawly Quote # 2. “Suck it, bitchâ€â€“Kathy Griffin
Nuff said…
This is like a train wreck. I want to look away but I can’t stop looking….
With all due respect Annie, I don’t think this is about pixelated beauty or fantasy. Real people were using real skills to create a magazine where the process of getting it to publication was similar in some respects to a RL magazine. These people who worked hard have had the rug pulled from under them.
I actually don’t know any rich or famous avatars but I do know people with incredible skills who work as a team to create something that wasn’t there before which has nothing to do with the look of their avatar. So if they are expressing their opinions about their experience and how this makes them feel, that real.
SL is RL regardless of the image you choose to represent you in world. If someone calls me an idiot in SL it’s not Chalice they are referring to, it’s ME.
Ugh, Maggie and Ocean SCREWED the staff and the advertisers – period!!! No explanations, no arguments necessary.
All they have to do is create another account and start creating another publication or other gimmick and presto they’re back in the game!
The lesson: Never trust anyone in sl, especially when it comes to money. The fact that anyone can cancel their account anytime should be enough for all of us to be wary about “advance” payments.
Annie, I think you make a valid point here. This is just one example of the ugly side of the SL beauty industry.
SL provides us with a level of anonymity and that is great but when RL money becomes involved, it also becomes a huge liability. I don’t know the amounts of money in question but it may run into the hundreds or thousands. There is no accountability. In these economic times, I think this becomes a cautionary tale for all of us. Even though we perceive someone to be a trusted person inworld, we still have a responsibility to be diligent in how we act financially. Six months is a very long time to pay in advance. So much can happen in that amount of time.
Maybe its time, as consumers,designers, advertisers, we evaluate who we support with our purchases and our money. I know I’ve been thinking more about that and trying to be more responsible about who I choose to spend my money with. While I understand the importance of the actual performance of a designer or artist, I also think it’s important that we support those designers and artist who create and behave ethically as well. I’ve seen some very generous designers give of their time and talents to support and give back. Those are the creators I want to support.
Maggie and Ocean may very well be inworld at this moment using alts. Sadly, this has all played out before. There are others who have taken funds for work never delivered, reincarnated, and become the darlings of the industry.
Chalice, I understand you have real feelings behind the avatar as do I. My point exactly about treating each other with kindness and mutual respect. Of course this is about real money spent on pixelated beauty, Avatar clothing or avatar skin etc.. And i agree there is skill…. as much as in any craft be it RL or SL, however, im not sure if i would go along with your statement that SL is RL. nd they created something that wasnt there before and.. suprise! poof* its no longer there again!! I also am aware that there is a great deal of copying RL into SL and trying to pass it off as fresh new ideas. I dont even want to go down that road of mudslinging. Just because someone has never seen it worn on an avatar before does not guarantee it was not built from images in the real world. We have all seen the past debate. You choose how much risk you choose to take with your money. But let me warn you ….If your not filling out real 1099 forms and setting up safe contract practices with your real name behind them, then you are simply taking risks if there is big money involved.
What started out as an article about RUNWAY and Frolic Mills ended up including comments about SLIWT and Costa Rica Sims, and another comment where Jori Watler was doing exactly what you said I was doing myself, to which I stated that she isn’t really in a position to be doing that, considering her reputation.
Angelique said:
““Face Palmsâ€
You just don’t get it do you Rawly?? No one cares what you have to say in here or in world. Your pathetic attempts to be little others, only prove you have all the makings of a insecure, self righteous, small man.
“The true means of being misled is to believe oneself finer than the others..â€
Duc de La Rochefoucauld”
Angelique, your rezday is January ’09, so either you are the alt of Jori Watler, or you haven’t known her long enough yet to see what she really is. I have a rather extensive collection of NC’s from many people, which I received during Jori’s tenure as a real estate salesperson for Costa Rica Sims during ’08, so my assessment of her background is objective, not subjective. I also have not written an article about her dealings in SLIWT because, frankly, I have too many other things to do.
I am a writer for SLIWT (you will need to read it before you are qualified to make commentary), a member of the Costa Rica Sims Executive Team, a former friend of Jori Watler, a friend of Maggie Mahoney, and an acquaintance of Ocean Bates. I have also known Frolic Mills for two years. These are the reasons I felt compelled to make a comment.
The Kathy Griffin joke was something called “a sense of humor”, you might want to get one, Angelique, they are pretty nice.
While I am fully aware of Frolic’s reputation, I will say that, recently, he does seem different, more real, and I think that maybe he’s trying to make a change for the better.
What I don’t understand is that, if you have worked hard to create something, something that you will no longer be able to continue, and your supporters want to continue what you worked so hard to build, why wouldn’t you be willing to make those arrangements to facilitate that transition?
The only thing I can think of is maybe what Maggie is dealing with is just too much for SL to be anything at all to her right now, and maybe Ocean is so distraught that he simply cannot bear the thought of being in SL without her. They have always been very nice to me, and very professional the times that we have worked together, so I am inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, and say a prayer for Maggie’s well-being.
Too bad for the magazine and staff. I confess that I wasn’t a regular reader, but it had become pretty good, and I know what a challenge it is to produce a monthly publication in SL–finding writers, content, graphic designers, photographers, and making them produce regularly and meet deadlines, it’s really a lot of work.
“Mother is the neccessity of invention”, so the staff will probably continue doing what they were doing, just doing it for some other publication.
Smiles .. I do have a sense of humor and I have indeed been in SL for over 2 years, During this time I have had the distinct pleasure of knowing my SL Sister Jori. She is kind, giving, honest, classy and full of integrity. Some of the qualities you, Rawly will never have nor will you ever fathom. I also was a Semi Finalist in the Costa Rica Pageant of 2008. I was disgusted by the obvious greed, backstabbing and favoritism of not only Frolic Mills but of the CEO of The Costa Rica Sims Estate, Giancarlo Takacs. Costa Rica Sims is a money hungry, greedy, poorly run, dirty and filled with degenerates like Raine Dagger and oh yes you Rawly. I laugh in your faces that you have all tried to blame your shady dealings on my Sister, Jori. Why don’t you come down off your Cross, Rawly and loose the Holier than Thou attitude. Just remember that while you are putting out a self righteous attitude…you used to dance at Sixx Pack as a Stripper A lousy one at that. Ahh yes .. and i too am a keeper of note cards. Shall i show everyone just how pathetic a you really are?? I pity your partner lying there pretending to be interested in your pathetic attempt to emote *YAWNS* So before you threaten to hang anyones dirty laundry out maybe you should take your own sick stripper thongs off the line and shove them in your mouth!
“I’m gonna have to Plant A Patent Leather Pump right in Your Ass” – Sally Solomon (Kristen Johnston) 3rd Rock From the Sun.
Ceo of Costa Rica sims would jump into bed with Frolic to con more people. GREED. These 2 deserve eachother. Disgusting people.
Costa Rica have you been? Its disgusting and they spoof it in sl to be cats meows. Thats how Frolic and Giancarlo operate all illusions. They don’t know there asshole from there pussies. Pure virtual old men living out there last years.
“Just remember that while you are putting out a self righteous attitude…. you used to dance at Sixx Pack as a Stripper A lousy one at that.”
- Angelique Latzo
Rawly Rousselot was a stripper? That will give me the chuckles for a week as I thought he popped out of the womb attached to a martyr’s cross.
Pot. Kettle. Black. Hypocrite.
Nanica’s post should end all this, and IMHO the publisher of this blog should write an apology.
Nanica’s comment was deleted. We don’t tolerate piggybackers. The easier way to avoid this is to not post just a link, but to actually put your fingers to use and type some text (re: a COMMENT) with your link.
Ohai, welcome to Herr Tenshi, Queen of the PMS.
Oki then I will repost what was inside her link, once again I believe that an apology is the best thing that can be done:
Drama and Divas and the Whole Damn Thing
By Thalia Jie – former Fashion Editor of RUNWAY Magazine
In respect of the demise of RUNWAY magazine, I have no obligation to make any comments, however, I will state that various blog postings made about Frolic Mills and the RUNWAY/BOSL merger are not factual.
The facts are:
* On the 8 April 2009, RUNWAY annouced the departure of both CEO’s from Second Life in a blog posting. No prior notice was given to staff. [RUNWAY blog]
* RUNWAY did not pay its employees or contracted writers for their work last month of work, while reassuring everyone that they would be paid in a matter of days.
* RUNWAY owners, Maggie Mahoney and Ocean Bates created the impression, right up to the day that the demolition started on the RUNWAY build, that it was business as usual.
* A public statement was issued on their blog that RUNWAY magazine “has been left to the staff if they desire to continue its legacy” however no mention was made of outstanding revenue from existing advertising contracts.
* Neither of the RUNWAY CEO’s replied to emails or telephone calls.
I personally would like to thank Frolic Mills for agreeing to an invitation to join myself, EmmZ Tzara and Vera Canning in a meeting to discuss these events. Frolic Mills gave his commitment that all RUNWAY staff would be paid and all advertising contracts honored. The result of that meeting was that the transition to BOSL was agreed to and work proceeded on the May issue of RUNWAY magazine. Designers and advertisers were reassured that everything was returning to normal.
One April 9 2009 a further statement was issued on the RUNWAY blog by the departing CEO’s of RUNWAY announcing that “RUNWAY will not merge with BOSL” and citing coercion on the part of Frolic Mills.
My decision regarding the BOSL?RUNWAY merger was not made through coercion or manupulation nor was I forced into any actions in a state of “shock.” I find that implication personally insulting.
My decision to merge with BOSL was made on the following basis:
* Paying RUNWAY employees monies owed.
* Paying feelance writers/photographers for RUNWAY projects
* Honoring existing RUNWAY contracts with advertisers up to and including the July issue of RUNWAY
* Acting decisively and promptly as the news of the CEO’s departure had been announced in the public forum
* With full knowledge that despite the RUNWAY blog statement that RUNWAY magazine “has been left to the staff if they desire to continue its legacy”, a blog statement is not a contract, and it is not a legal transfer of ownership.
* Misgivings regarding exactly what “the legacy” of RUNWAY magazine entailed.
On April 9 2009, the the same blog post, CEO Maggie Mahoney stated that she has “decided to retain the branding rights and trademarks [to RUNWAY magazine] and let the magazine officially close”.
Please direct all inquiries regarding monies owned by RUNWAY to Maggie Mahoney and Ocean Bates.
I have listed the facts as I understand them, and there will be no further comments.
Thalia Jie
11 April 2009
“Please direct all inquiries regarding monies owned by RUNWAY to Maggie Mahoney and Ocean Bates.”
I guess anyone will have to contact Maggie, since Ocean’s account has been deleted, that is unless someone knows the alt he is using!
I try to keep a very low profile, but I will say that if any designers who had paid Runway to do a fashion show, and you have not been refunded your money, IM me. Le Belle Facon will put on a show for free. I hate when fashion agencies, academy’s and such give hard working agencies, magazines a bad rap!
(If I am wrong in posting this, just delete it)
Well, Kasen, the offer is nice, since there probably are people who have contracts of all sorts with Runway, but the way you bring it is actually an insult to all the Runway staff members and freelance contributors who have been working their asses off to make Runway successful. As far as I know, before Maggie and Ocean pulled the plug so abrubtly, Runway did a fine job, both on the mag and on the runway productions.
Just a tad bit cheap to make this comment here. Your own publications and contact network would have been more appropriate channels.
Tenshi.. Your my Hero.
“Ohai, welcome to Herr Tenshi, Queen of the PMS.”
ROTFLMAO
Excellent. I am borrowing this.
Grazia,
Sorry you took it like that. Believe me I know that the staff of Runway did a lot of hard work. I was not pointing to the staff.
I was offering shows to any of the designers who was not giving a refund.
I am sure the great staff that was at Runway had nothing to do with any of this. So I am sorry that the post was an insult to those that had nothing to do with the closing of Runway.
As far as using my own network and publications to let the designers know,
I would if I knew who they were.
Again Grazia, I am sorry you took my offer the wrong way.
Frolic Mills is a sack of crap. Lies lies lies. He isn’t changing his ways if he did people would see the real him and wouldn’t pay him a dime.
Runway did a nice job? Who are you kidding.
Ugh, their shows were boring, predictable and pretty empty.
Their magazine is so-so. I think SL is a much better place now without Runway anyway – who would have thought that the very people who started Runway were nothing but a couple of thieves?
To the staff, sorry guys but thats just how the world is. You’ll never know who will bite your ass.
@ Grazia….Kasen’s offer was sincere so you need to pull in your fangs and STFU.
STFU? oh my… I’m impressed. Moira, I never doubted the sincerity of Kasen’s offer. Guess you need to learn how to read.
And you need to get your virtual nose out of the air before you drown….lol…maybe you should ask before you posting on behalf of all Runway staff…..maybe?
I’m not posting on behalf of all the staff, I’m posting on my own account, stating my own opinion. I considered Kasen’s comment an insult to the people who have been hard working -including yours truly- for Runway, and I really appreciate Kasen’s second comment.
Really, I think you should think twice before lashing out, because you’re really making quite the fool of yourself. kthxbai.
Angelique said:
““Face Palmsâ€
You just don’t get it do you Rawly?? No one cares what you have to say in here or in world. Your pathetic attempts to be little others, only prove you have all the makings of a insecure, self righteous, small man.
LAUGHS
Who are these people and should I care?
Jeepers Admin, sorry – I was in a hurry and thought you would want to see it. Sorry for not writing a comment.
Way to show your “appreciation” with a snide, down the nose remark to someone who was trying to be nice. Your the one who lashed out sweetie and the only one around here making themselves look like an ass is you. kthxbai. *We are done here*
Where the hell was I when this came out? Damn college finals kicking my ass and I’m missing this.
IMO: Ok Frolic’s name is tainted but in this situation it doesn’t seem to be his fault. Telling the whole SL world you’re leaving before telling your staff is bad form. Giving them the shop and then taking it back is even worse. If Maggie was so sick or in such a hurry due to someone elses illness she wouldn’t have had the time or concern to get on-line and write another blog post about Frolic. Why attack Frolic without talking to the staff members who requested Frolic to consider taking on runway (yea I wrote it lower case)? Since she sold the sim and didn’t pay debtors, leaving them the mag meant what? Just another slap in the face.
I just read something interesting over at http://www.invoguehommes.com about Frolic Mills. Cool site here I just got it from there. It’s interesting you should go take a look what he is telling his advertisers in IM. Just goes to show you can’t rust anything the man says.
“So before you threaten to hang anyone’s dirty laundry out maybe you should take your own sick stripper thongs off the line and shove them in your mouth!”
Angelique Latzo to Rawly Rousse..something.
Funniest line in this whole fiasco!! I don’t know what their drama is nor do I care but I actually laughed out loud at this.
Ugh, I thought Ammon Pera and his douchebag in waiting Jason feingold plus his InV(alid) group are dead. I never thought there is such a thing as being resurrected from the dead.
They’re more DOUCHEBAGS than Frolic honestly.
Check this out.
http://invdaily.wordpress.com/
http://sldailybuzz.blogspot.com/
“Before anyone screams sour grapes on our part, inV was alot of fun and very successful but we closed the in-world magazine because it was just becoming too much work and SL should be fun. We know the amount of effort it takes to do a monthly in-world magazine and have the utmost respect for those who continue to do this.”
LOL. No one even dared to advertise in InV even for free – thats why the closed.
From what I heard they had a huge scam of their own. I think it was a contest where you pay to vote and the winners apparently were alts of Ammon Pera and his cohorts.
This is Maggie Mahoney and I have responded to questions raised here at my post http://www.runwaysl.com/blog/?p=1150. The writers of this blog have my permission to copy and paste the entire post to this forum should they choose. If they do not, then that is their choice as well.
So many things that could be said here – it’s quite pitiful actually.
But man.. the laughing that ensued when reading the posts by Angelique was priceless – and totally befitting.
Giancarlo, Rawly, Frolic – total asshats – and the thought of Rawly on a damn stripper pole – PRICELESS!
Seems to me – Ocean and Maggie can be added to that list.
Ammon pera is scary. He takes the logos of popular brands and puts them on his site making it appear they’re paying for advertisement space. This is how he tries to sucker other people to pay by making it look like everyone else is.
Am I the only person who thinks that if Maggie has time to post maybe she can give her staff an hour meeting to discuss this now? Usually in business handoffs there is a meeting with atleast a group of people (board) to discuss this stuff not just sending a message to one person and hoping they can translate it to everybody else. If runway is dead then leave it alone and ride off into the sunset. If it can be salvaged then call your staff and set your expectations.
Rawly Rousselot HI5
The Rest
Ya what she said
Suck it Bitch ….
Please include Ammon Pera and the now banned-from-SL Jason Fiengold as belonging to the Douchebag Club.
Jason Feingold even attempted to post a fake interview with Maggie Mahoney just to be ‘relevant’.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ammon Pera will claim that he had coffee with Maggie in RL.
Dudes, its time to call your pharmacy for your med refills.
Stupid douchebags, all of them. They need to be exterminated before they start breeding with each other.
Wait a second here.
Maggie had ALL THE TIME to post (defend herself obviously) this and yet she CANT HAVE TIME TO MEET WITH HER STAFF????
Am I the only one who seems to be confused with this?
I totally understand the whole cancer thing and thats sad. But it seems to me she is pretty able to go in front of the computer and write a long post. Hmmmm.
I am sorry. But it seems to me that some people in SL does not know how to run a business.
As for Ammon Pera and his douchebagness:
http://dialdfordrama.blogspot.com/
Guys, this is what people do when they’re banned from SL:
THEY POST FAKE INTERVIEWS!
Read this hilarious “interview” by another douchebag/has been Jason Feingold.
p.s. before you read the ‘interview’, please read Maggie Mahoney’s latest blog
http://www.runwaysl.com/blog/?p=1150
And then Read Jason’s “interview”:
http://jasonfeingold.blogspot.com/2009/04/exclusive-interview-with-runway-editor.html
LOL.
Geez.
This whole “I-left-SL-good bye bitches – oh no, im back – oops i need to post something again” is very much like Cher and her Farewell Tours (she did several farewell tours and yet she is back in Vegas!). Cher is fab though, i dont care how many comebacks she had or will have!
If you’re leaving SL for good (complete with obits) then LEAVE for chrissakes!
I have nothing against sl citizens with illness, but please dont use your RL illness as an excuse for inappropriate actions!
Have some respect for people who have real illness and cant even get up and face a computer!
Even if you gave her a pass on the illness this doesn’t make much sense. Believe me I have a sister who died of breast cancer and another who’s still battling. I take this very seriously. Where the hell is Ocean?? What’s stopping him from taking care of business while Maggie takes care of her affairs in RL?
Stella: Where the hell is Ocean?? What’s stopping him from taking care of business while Maggie takes care of her affairs in RL?
Maybe he has cancer too?
Frolic Mills is the smartest man on the grid. LOL. He knows exactly how to make people run for him, he will make sure that the person who wins any modelling contest will be someone who will run her/his ass off for him, make him look better, he will lie and deceive because you people LET him. You love him so dearly because you all think you can get better because of him! You all kiss his ass so happily and believe me he is loving it! hehe! When you all would leave him alone, maybe he will get sick as well? Leave SL and come back with another avi?…mmm i bet you any money this time as a gorgeous female model taking over ! Peeps, you all have made him what he is today.
Did no one on the RUNWAY staff know that RUNWAY was lying about their “circulation numbers” to the advertisers for MONTHS?
Advertisers were screwed the whole time — not just now.
Just like Frolic Mills and BOSL, people still lie about how many read their magazines.
Did no one on the RUNWAY staff realize that the RUNWAY logo was taken from a copyrighted RL magazine’s logo (the same name, full capitalization AND font)?
Why did the staff never question these practices. Because it worked? Till … yes, what happened really?
What did the RUNWAY staff and the BOSL staff know about this deceit?
What does it say about companies who hire people from the RUNWAY staff who took part in this scam?
Questions,
Sometimes, innocent people get sucked into things without knowing.
There are many names in RL used in SL. As for the capitalization and font, perhaps I can see a complaint in that as far as legal action.
Some staff never questioned this because speaking for myself, I did not know. If that makes me guilty by not researching before I got hired, then so be it.
I bet you 97% of my fellow former staff members had no clue.
Do not group the “staff” into “taking part of this scam”.
Seems someone’s fetching.
Ok..now someone mentions maybe Ocean has cancer too (sarcasm maybe? or atleast I hope) and that the runaway staff were part of a scam.
This story is growing wings and flying away. What’s done is done. Time to lick your wounds, learn from your mistakes, and keep it moving.
Stella crosses magazine employee off of list of endeavors.
This story is flying to nowhere. It is just not over yet.
Maggie, Ocean and their PR Managing Staff members screwed all the advertisers not only in the moment they left SL but the whole time! No one of the PR and Marketing Staff members did know about their lies?
Also, the RUNWAY staff worked for Owners who used a copyrighted logo and claimed to have the copyright for it which was another lie. It is ok if you did not know that. But you know it now. Who of the marketing and PR staff members know when and why Maggie and Ocean decided to change the logo and add the disclaimer: “RUNWAY SL is not affiliated with Runway Beauty Fashion Magazine” ?
If the former RUNWAY staff didn’t know about all this but got to know it NOW: Why do they support a merge with just another scammer like Frolic Mills and BOSL who uses exactly the same marketing practice and lies to every single potential advertiser.
If you work with liars and thiefs don’t be surprised if they run away and screw you as well even if you were a “close” staff member. Don’t tell us all of you didnt know that RUNWAY’s and BOSL’s marketing strategy is a lie. Its your choice and your responsibility. Especially if you didnt learn from it and move just over to work for the next liar and thief. And in the moment you decide to do that, you are nothing better than Maggie and Ocean. You just continue to lie to potential advertisers simply under a different umbrella, called BOSL.
What do Payton, Thalia, EmmZ and M0lly have to say about THIS ?
Rawly jesus thats a douchebag, I mean DOUCHEBAG in capitals. He is a snowjob without the job.
So to summarize the above:
Maggie and Ocean ran off to RL and left staff in the lurch and advertisers out of money.
Frolic, the douchbag, then did or did not try to take the magazine over
Maggie changed her mind.
Staff are still left in the lurch.
Then a side line of Costa Rica Sims with some lolz on their executive team posting here and Rawly being outed as a past stripper (they need to sort their PR that is hysterical). Even more funny that Runway and Costa Rica were a joint initiative so perhaps they will pay people the money back.
Back to Frolic and side things on fashion, best of, orange painted avatars and big boobies.
Then Maggie posts.
More on Rawly and then some stuff in InVogue.
THIS IS BETTER THAN NATIONAL ENQUIRER. Talk about a PR disaster for all involved.
Great post Tenshi/Iris!
“THIS IS BETTER THAN NATIONAL ENQUIRER. Talk about a PR disaster for all involved.”
Isn’t it?!
And funny thing, Maggie posted her “final blog” on the 12th stating that the money from the sim sale, funds and such would pay advertisers and staff…it’s now 8 days later and there’s still no paycheck in my account.
Which leads me to believe, she changed her mind yet AGAIN and has no intention on paying any money back.
What makes this more of a comedy is, I just looked at Runway’s blog. Are they back up and running? If so, did Maggie give it or sell it to someone? Or, is she back but laying low? or…. is she back as an alt reviving the magazine.
Either way, Maggie is nothing more than a liar and a thief. Staff still go unpaid to this date, even though Maggie mentioned in a recent that she will pay from the funds made available to her on the sale of the sim. Shame on you Maggie Mahoney. And don’t give us the BS that what people say about you in here doesn’t phase or bother you. It does – you wouldn’t have mentioned it in a recent blog if it didn’t.
By the way, I just noticed that Jason’s interview that was referenced above as http://jasonfeingold.blogspot.com/2009/04/exclusive-interview-with-runway-editor.html is no longe available.
Things that make you go “hmmmmm”
Rawly Rousselot & Natalie Niven are the biggest scam artists in secondlife. I just read this and saw Rawly was covering Frolic Mills. One douche bag covering another douche bag. Costa Rica Sims lost alot of it’s class hiring this Rawly. They are calling it the biggest loser hangout in second life. They are all douche bags.
What is the reason Frolic Mills has this magazine? Just a lark for him or a power trip, or does he make real money from it? He has said inn the past he deligates tasks so what the heck doe he really do to justify such homage and authority? who the heck is he inn Real Life anyway, anyonne important to operate under the guise of Entittlemetn? Please explain, a lot of us would really like to know.
Thanks for the best half hour reading , SL is a Game GAME Game get it