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I’m one of the people who can send Free*Style group notices, and while I like letting newer residents know about what’s out there besides blingtard gear, I’m worried that I’m enabling people like #5. I’ve heard designers say that they now feel obligated to make freebies, and I don’t think that’s reasonable or fair. I make a point of buying a few items when I send out group notices, because I know that a lot of people just take the freebie and run. (And don’t think I haven’t noticed the same people doing this over and over again.)
And yeah, #3, that stuff’s gross.
awwww number one don’t defile the poor kitteh like that!
1. LOL Hilarious!
2. This happens so much in SL it’s sad. Sounds like someone I know.
3. Aww it wouldn’t be as much fun if only BDSM people could see it. They need to shock and awe you.
4. No probably not.
5. This has to be the dumbest secret so far. Ok you and your friends get free stuff so you make a secret making fun of the givers so that they’ll stop giving out freebies? I’m guessing you’re probably a creator who made a secret to vent. If I’m wrong you probably look a hot mess wearing every random freebie you find on the grid.
I SO Agree with #3, it is so annoying.
#1 Just great…
#3 Pffft… sure, it doesn’t look classy, but you can say the same about bling and probably a dozen other sins.
#5 You wouldn’t have spent money anyway, so what? It’s not like the shop owners have missed any sales.
Stealing of textures, artwork and ideas is so rampant in SL that I think that a lot of people have become desensitized to it, and it’s just become accepted. Either that or people see SL as “not real” so who is it hurting (besides people who make their rl income in this game)? No talent? No problem! Rip that skin, that outfit, that artwork for your amazingly good (too good) Flickr stream. Nobody will know right? *sighs*
There’s got to be a better way to stop all this content theft without the backlash of people like who posted #1. Obviously the threat of copyright infringement legal action isn’t enough.
PS – Yes the kitty is cute and I’m not without humor. Just sayin’.
#2: if it hadn’t been you it would have been somebody else, how do people think they can get away with this stuff if they run around sharing it with everyone? If you want eleventybillion different partners, do it on your alts. Jeez.
#3: you’re missing the point, these people want you to know precisely how little dignity and class they have. Most of these cases are guys who get a thrill from the idea of a girl wandering around public places with her snatch on display, because pixellated pudenda are generally the only kind they get access to.
#5: what, you don’t even buy dollarbies? Sorry, don’t believe you.
@ Genna Gray
I think one thing that’s desensitizing people to the skin thefts is watching skin creators go to battle over skins using sources they ripped from another off-line creator or photographer. Not saying that this is at the root of every skin theft but it only takes a couple instances to place a bad cloud over the whole thing.
#3 – I just don’t get it either. But I guess they need to feel they are shocking or something. Most of them are probably accountants IRL.
#5 – I do love the freebies given by good designers. They give me an idea of the product quality, and keep me coming back to their stores. I love free stuff, but I think a lot of us still spend money.
#3 Now why didn’t someone do that regarding my ex….
ooops, meant #2
2.) I wish people would just mind their own business…
Anywho- the attitude in #5 pisses me off and if that is how alot of freebie hunters feel, i may start cutting down on the amount of free stuff i give out.
3.) Same as above…SL is a community of all sorts…
5.) I love handing out freebies and dollarbies at my store…what upsets me the most is when people just grab the freebie and leave. Or subscribe to the SOM-grab the freebie- then unsubscribe. It is quite upsetting to me and Niki when that happens (and it happens ALOT). I remember back in the day freebies and dollarbies were rare and often times not that great. Now freebies, hunts, dollarbies, lucky chairs etc.. they are EVERYWHERE
~Lila
Regarding #5 – I love giving group freebies. I will never stop. I can’t even express my gratitude, in words, to the people who’ve shown their support in the thimbles and heart starlust groups. So I will give them freebies whenever I can or damn well want to.
I’m commenting because it disgusts me that your secret is going to dishearten other designers. Knowing douchebags are there lurking for freebies and then apparently going to boast about what freebie commandos they are ha HAH! on SCD… It’s going to make some people wonder what the point is and maybe stop or do it less frequently.
Designers: There are always going to be turds like #5 – always. If they’re not being a dick about freebies they’re going to be a dick about something else. But 95% of the people receiving your gifts and freebies are wonderful people who appreciate what you do and are supportive of your efforts. So fuck the #5′s. Shit’s not as fun when you’re a dick anyway.
*maybe I’m naive thinking it’s as high as 95% – but I would sincerely rather think that the majority of people in the world are not douche bags who feel the same was as #5.
The person from #5 bothers me. I feel like they’re calling me a fool to give out freebies.
3) Gives me something to entertain myself on while wandering around. The diversity of SL is what entertains me. I don’t really like walkin around looking at everyone wearing all the same skins, hairs, outfit of the week but I tolerate that, too.
5.) That’s one way to do it, I guess
In response to Lila- I know that there are a lot of us who really appreciate content creators giving out freebies and dollarbies because it’s a chance for us to try out their content. I usually run in and grab the freebies then go ‘home’ and evaluate the quality- that’s why I take it and run. If it looks good or even promising, I’ll go back and good amounts of money, so please don’t take it to mean that you haven’t found a loyal customer just because they grabbed the freebie and ran. And sometimes I go back and shop a little even if I didn’t like the freebie just as a thanks to the creator for being so generous. So don’t get too bitter just yet
All designers have to do is track their transactions after releasing a freebie… There isn’t a HUGE jump in sales, but traffic goes up considerably. I know there’s people who shop if they like the freebie, but I think they’re the minority. Sad but true. :/
Oh, and PS- Ap’s generosity and great attitude is exactly why I own about 95% of her products in multiple colors.
Thimbles for life, yo!
#1 Seriously had me cracking up. Very rarely i can laugh these days. Thanks
#2 Ok why do girls insist on doing things like this? Srsly. So the guys a man whore,as many are. But people like you are why were forced to close account and never tell you about our new name.
#3 What is normal? That is “normal” to them obviously because theyre doing it. When youre bothered by something, its not what the person is doing, but how it makes you feel. Come to a place where you just dont give a sh*t anymore. Its their “way of life” if you can go in public with your normal way, why cant they go with their normal way? But yah, id rather not see it personally, but it doesnt bother me. If they could do it in RL and still be accepted as a functioning individual, im sure they would.
#5 Why a photo of a robber? Youre robbing nobody. People are giving it out for FREE. derr. How is that robbing them? So what, youre a freebie monger, who cares? Anyway this mass freebie thing needs to stop. Its just entirely too excessive IMO.
@ lila
“5.) I love handing out freebies and dollarbies at my store…what upsets me the most is when people just grab the freebie and leave”
What in the world, are you serious? LOL!! What do you expect them to do? Buy something? Hang around for 30 minutes? luls. MAJORITY of the people are going to tp in, get the freebie, and leave. Its what its there for.
Ultimately, youll get an increase in visitors and more exposure to your store name and product. But it does no good if youre just known as “the store who gives out freebies”
“Or subscribe to the SOM-grab the freebie- then unsubscribe. ”
Now THAT is upsetting. Group gifts given in subscribe o matic or inworld groups are a bonus for the people in the groups, not for people to join then leave. i ESPECIALLY hate when bloggers say “group gift, join *enter group name here* to get it” umm hello! Its for GROUP members.
@ Ap
“maybe I’m naive thinking it’s as high as 95%”
Id agree. I dont think its that high at all. BUT the people who come in just for the freebie then leave, wouldnt buy your stuff anyway so who cares. The people who DO buy your stuff and are grateful for the gifts, are the ones who support you and matter.
Love number 1. Goes to show how many different super modelesque skins can really be made without one looking like the other. Seriously. Just make good stuff and we will buy it.
#3 – hey its that persons second life. If you don’t like it don’t look at them. Its really simple.
And oh, I am so over freebie bashing – its so 2008. Can’t you people find something else to be angry about and devote a ridiculous amount of time bitching about?
@4 i think i know who you mean and i think that to,, also her blog posts have been rather catty recently as well.
@hai and the secret creator – why do people care so much about what blogger’s post about? Maybe just maybe this person does it for their own creative needs and doesn’t care what others think of their writing.
Id be lying if i said it didnt upset me when i see 90% of the people TP into my store then leave after picking up the freebie. Hey Im human y’know *shrugs*.. I dont expect people to hang around, nor buy anything actually…but its the attitude in #5 that I see in alot of freebie hunters. The sense of entitlement. I get at least 1 IM a day asking for a recolor or asking to make the freebie transferable. Anyways… enough freebie bashing
@ Lila – First off, sorry for the tone in my above post. that was rude of me.
Anyway. I could see how it would be upsetting. But at the same time I think people who look good in SL, buy nice clothing, and spend money, are a very very veryyyyyy small percentage of the SL population. I think this group of “fashionista” people think theyre “it” and thats the end. Really, its just a small percentage of people. Its not a surprise that most are going to tp in, grab the freebie, and tp out.
Alot of people in SL just dont like to spend money.
On a second note..
If christmas came every day, would we await it?
It seems theres a new hunt going on every week. In a month or 2 people will get sick of them. Im not against giving out freebies, but I think this hunt fad needs to die down.
@ #5 = I love giving out free items and my SL partner and I do it all the time. Guess what? I’m not in SL to make money. SL is where I play and create and socialize and I think I am lucky that sometimes giving things away is an option for me. I have nothing but great respect for designers and artists who create and sell their items and I show that respect by buying lots and lots of it. That said, not everyone has the means, willingness, option of spending money in SL. The sense of community amongst the designers and my friends and the sense of give and take more than balances itself out in my SL experience. <3
1. ROFL!
3. When I see this at a store, I think – - vanilla.
5. I am at the far opposite end of that spectrum. I rarely use freebies.
I will admit a lot of times I go and get a freebie and leave. Not because it’s a “Smash and grab” as someone else put it, but a lot of times places are busy and I get lagged or I see something I want to try and I may not be in the buying mood.
It may be a few days or even weeks before I get around to buying something from a store that gives out freebies but usually I do.
# 5 hmmm well as I am on this massive freebie hunt atm I have spent over 3k in stores along the way. Maybe not at your store but at someones. I for sure have collected some landmarks for later shopping which may be what other people do as well. I love all the freebies and I know many others that do too so since #5 has no class let me say…THANK YOU!
#5 – I have waited hoping someone else would figure this out but sadly no. I believe this secret was made by a designer who is bitter of the success that other designers have had using their freebies. Lately there has been a lot of hypocritical behavior by some designers who bitch to others that they hate freebies, freebie hunters, and designers who give freebies but I notice they have added freebies at their own stores.
Freebies did not kill your business. The real world economy is hard on everyone and we are not spending our money on Lindens when we need to feed our families, pay our rent, and heat our homes. The only thing that is killing your businesses is that you are blind to changing environment of the buying public. I know plenty of designers who still make a real living off of their designs in Second Life because they DO offer freebies. They use them to advertise their businesses. They use them to get customers inside their doors and those customers spend what little lindens they have at those stores.
I want to thank all the designers who are giving freebies every day in both hunts and single situations. You are a blessing to the newbie and the poor folks. The bonus of this is you get us as lifetime customer when we can afford Lindens again.
@ Elizabeth
I think this is gonna piss content creators off for a while somhow.
im never sure were i stand on the freebie thing persoanly i dont mind people grabbing and running becuase over all traffic and sales go up.
@1…poor kitty. I just don’t buy skins. I don’t know who to trust anymore.
@2…you go girl
@3… I don’t swim in your toilet, please don’t pee in my pool. Don’t attempt to involve me in your roleplay, or expect me to respect your rp rules.
@4….anyone who owns a blog is a blogger. Who died and made you blog-master rule maker?
@5…I give freebies. The other day, I was in my shop, and about 10 people came though, got the freebie, and said “Thank you”. That they said thank you wasn’t expected, but sure was nice! And no, you may not buy anything from my shop, but you’ll tell your friend where you got that cool, free dress, and she’ll go get it, then she’ll tell someone, and who knows, maybe someday, someone will buy something from my store after you gave them the LM to my shop to get the freebie. There’s no such thing as bad publicity. You’re giving me free advertising by taking a freebie. So, come back and take one as often as you like. They’re no trans, so the only thing you can do is wear them or delete them. Since inventory is unlimited in SL, you’re not hurting me by taking a freebie..I lose nothing, but I stand to gain a whole lot from it. so thank you, freebie hunter!
Oh, and if you’re annoyed at people joining your groups just to get the freebie? IM me in world and I”ll send you the LM to a GREAT subscription thingie that deletes items you send out after it sends them, so they have to be in the group at the time you send it out to get it! Also, it’s cheaper than any other subscription thing on the market, and it works so easy!
Just Me hit the nail on the head with this, I’ve taken part in a hunt recently and I make a point of sending a gift of sorts every month, and yes you do see the grab and run A LOT. Saying that I’ve had people come back later or request custom orders from that; freebies may have their vices and there are always people looking for a “free lunch” but at the end of the day it does balance out in the end, you just have to not let a few people ruin it for you overall.
ugh, to the people above all “mind your own business” about #3? Lick me. I don’t have to look at dumb ass subs crawling around on their knees at Nordstrom, I shouldn’t have to do it in public places anywhere else. Your kinks are your business, but when you bring them in public, they become EVERYONE’S business. Learn to have some fucking boundaries.
I’m a designer that gives out a lot of freebies, and a lot of cheap stuff. I have had countless numbers of people IM and notecard me for doing this, because they DO appreciate it. They also tell everyone they know about my store. A lot of these people are also consistent customers. If some people’s prices weren’t so fucking ridiculous, they would probably even make more money. Just sayin.
@ just me. Wow, thats a whole nother viewpoint, whether right or wrong, to #5.
I wouldnt understand how a content creator would think others giving out freebies would ruin their business. *Scratches head*
Freebies are just that, freebies. Even if its well made, they dont have any real value to most who pick them up , because well..they were free.
People are still going to spend money on products for sale that they desire. I really dont think these freebie hunts are having a negative effect on the SL economy AT ALL. And if any content creator is under this mindset, i think it pretty comical.
If people want to buy your products, they will buy it. Plain and simple. Whether there are freebies or no freebies.
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lol@ Wrenja getting upset not everyone agreed with her secret. Awes
@Blah
I was recently privy to a chat log where a group of designers bitched over freebies. One went as far as stating that designers that give our freebies should have to pay the other designers for their loss of income. I read this log 3 days ago and now there is a Secret that sound almost exactly like that conversation. It really makes me think that this is a designer with a bitter attitude about freebie hunters and freebie givers. I noticed the very people bitching in that chat have brand new freebies in their stores so they were being very hypocritical.
“One went as far as stating that designers that give our freebies should have to pay the other designers for their loss of income”
Oh god. This is absurd. if youre sales have declined start market targeting a new audience, or, stop making shit. LOL
@5 We don’t mind! You are not going to spend $$$ anyway. For people like you freebies are the SL version of welfare. It also keeps you from looking like Sh*t on our screens. LOL
I myself am over the freebie bingers. I’ve been in SL long enough to remember when Freebies were crap and a decent outfit coast at least $250L.
It’s undeniable that the newest SL’ers see this as a game. They feel a sense of entitlement to good content because it is there, and they want it, and since it is a “game,” they don’t want to pay for it.
Also, a lot of kids on the teen grid are graduating to the main grid. This is a problem because on the teen grid, things are a lot cheaper. They don’t want to pay the increase.
It’s my personal opinion that giving out freebies and cheapis should be at the descretion of the designer. It’s good advertising. But don’t feel obligated. If you HAVE TO put out cheapies to stay in business, maybe you shouldn’t be in business. The majority of your sales should come from your main lines.
And for all you cheap asses who think SL is a game and you don’t have to pay to play, ask yourself, if it’s just a game, why are major corporations like IBM offering support in world? Why are universities offering for credit classes in world? That doesn’t happen in a game. It’s a not a game. It’s a virtual space with unlimited possibility. If you can’t appreciate that, then get out. At least thank everyone who came before you, who did pay, who made the content you enjoy for free. Without them you wouldn’t have such an easy Second Life.
This is the exact line:
“I think everyone of you who offers freebies should pay me $10L for every freebie “purchase” you’ve had in the last year. WHAT DO YOU SAY?! WHO’S WITH ME?”
1: just to cute… lol
2: Wondering why no one did this in RL with my Ex!
3: It’s a numiliation thing I think… how far will one go to make someone else happy? But yes, it can be annoying. I had a kids day at my shop not to long ago and ran into this situation. She was very nice about it and came back to shop later.
4: Does it matter?
5: Now I do set out a fair bit of Freebies. I enjoy them, I like the feedback and find I have gained a few customers with them. What really gets me is when someone comes in and grabs like 10 copies! I later find them for sale on SLX or someplace for 100L each. *growls It’s my own fault for making them trans. *shrugs* I have since switched to a script that only allows an av 1 copy. I hate that it can come to that.
In regards to number #3. When you enter a Gorean Sim (This position is one called Nadu) You are expected to adhere to their strict code of dress and behaviour. If I go to one of these sims myself, as a freewoman, I have to be fully covered. This includes a veil over my face. I can understand how very seriously this lifestyle is taken by those who live it.
I am very much a believer you dress for the type of sim you are in.
If you are shopping in a “mainstream store, wearing sheer clothing or silks and kneeling in a submission pose you just look out of place. Please at least change your AO and put on something less sheer. You should know in your heart and by your collar who you are.
Just remember. If you choose to take your BDSM Gorean lifestyle into mainstream areas, the next SL secret or OMG look at what she is wearing blogpost could be you!
Then again, in her defense, I accept its a free world. If you don’t like..don’t look.
*jumps down from her position of straddling the morals fence..for now*
#2 Good for you… but how do she know if you are telling the truth or not? Jealousy people would do anything to break them apart. That sound just like you.
#3 Well… Who cares. This is virtual world. I hate what they are but they love what they are. Just like they hate what we are but we love what we are. Make sense? We can’t control them as much as they can’t control us. Leave them alone. They are happy. If you leave them alone and then they will leave you alone. Be wise!
#4 A blog is a blog, that’s it. Everyone are allowed to blog twice or more or never blog it! Who care. It is not a competition about who’s better than or bigger fashion blogger. No need to be jealous.
#5 Good, just keep going. It’s our choice to give them out for free (hunt, quest, games, gifts, etc…) We like them to enjoy as much as we do. Relax.
@ just me
lmao oh man. They must have really crappy sales if theyre up in arms about that.
Post the whole log
I think I went to a store for just a freebie once because the dress looked quite good on the blog and I probably had nothing else to do. Then I completely forgot about it so I still can’t tell you to day how the dress looks or if it was worth it lol
I dont go to a shop because it has a freebie so we are not like that and some of us do spend a fair bit of money. I do have a budget but if i like something I will just buy it. If it is good I will go back to the shop if it’s not well you wont see me again. I could not careless about freebies.
And the thing sometimes not all clothes from the one shop are good.
But what bothers me is when you spend quite a fair bit in a shop and by mistake you spend twice the amount on one item and you cant get a refund…. that makes me sad…
“lol@ Wrenja getting upset not everyone agreed with her secret. Awes”
LOL @ blah for thinking I’m Wrenja.
@ 2 – I probably would have done the same thing.
@ 3 – I totally agree on that. Same applies for role players that constantly try to drag you into their game. I’m so tired of it.
@ 4 – I wish there was more people who put effort and love into their blogging.
@ 5 – People like you will probably stop designers to give out their stuff for free one day. Can’t you just say “thanks” and appreciate the fact that someone is willing to give something that he or she has actually put work into for free? I think it’s quite embarrassing what you do here.
Hmph..I think this whole freebie revolution really kicked in when LL decided to start people out with their choice of ‘new and improved’ newbie avatars. Now their first priority isn’t shopping. Which kinda sucks for the creators.
It brings back memories of my own rez day…the first thing I wanted to do was get out of that ugly purple t-shirt and lame lookin flip-flops. Now they start out with sculpted shoes, somewhat decent clothing and a variety of skins in their inventory removing that immediate need to shop-and in a way it gives new players a sense of entitlement to nice free stuff. So blame LL (cause that’s always fun)
#5 I love setting out freebies and dollarbies. When i first arrived in SL it was the kindness of older residents that encouraged me to stay. I think of this act as giving back to that community.
The theory that giving away freebies will destroy a sector in second life seems false. Look at the skin industry, for example, two fantastic open source skins have produced a multitude of cheap skins on the grid. Yet, the major skin designers seem to be well represented in world and on the feeds. If you produce something people want to pay for they will.
I view second life as a way to express myself in a creative manner. I like to think that I am sharing. If you like to think your getting one over content creators, that s great. It allows us to both do our own things in blissful ignorance.
@5 – i’ve been doing the valentine grid-wide hunt and found the CUTEST shoes. i will be purchasing more shoes from this designer as i love the pair they gave as the gift.
i have been taking a look around each and every shop that’s participating in the hunt. (the ones i’ve made it to, so far) some are not my style, and some don’t have the quality i’m seeking, but i look as the hunt as a way for them to get some exposure to new clients.
THANK YOU to ALL of the designers that participate in the hunts. i appreciate the opportunity to see your work and have fell in love with a few of you. <3
I agree with Ap and the others, but I suspect #5 is by a disgruntled designer trying to make other designers feel bad about giving out freebies. In fact I am getting thoroughly fed up with all the whining about ‘freebie culture is destroying SL’. Yes people are rude, but there are three times as many of them as there were two years ago, so is it any surprise bad behavior is more common? Freebies get people into stores they wouldn’t find otherwise. Freebies keep people active in SL who might quit otherwise. I give out freebies, sometimes to get exposure, sometimes to just give back in the way other people helped me at the start – and I won’t stop because someone who has the nerve to charge over $L1500 for shoes or boots or jewelry is annoyed.
The facts:
1. Freebies do bring sales to stores, maybe not a lot sometimes, but they do. I have often discovered new stores from freebies where I am now a regular customer.
2. You made one copy of your freebie, uploaded it, and it might have cost you a few lindens to do this. If you are worried about the cost of the uploads, charge 1L for the item instead. Its not like it was made in a factory somewhere and cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars when people grab and go, so I don’t see an issue here. If you gain a few customers from the freebie, that should had been worth it in itself.
3. I love freebies and truly feel appreciated as a customer when I get one. Some designers have a “holier than though” attitude as if they are too good for even their customers. I feel the designers that give a little to their customers are saying, thanks, I really love you guys.
4. Grab and go freebie hunters are probably not people that stick around SL to long anyway, and if they do, it might be because of the freebies. Eventually they may get jobs in SL because they received freebies to make them look nice. Now they have money to spend in SL.
It seems a lot of people are whining about the people that will not spend money in SL. Maybe the people that don’t want to spend money see it as ridiculous to spend $1 – $4 US dollars on a pair of shoes that are not even tangible. When I see a store with ridiculously priced clothing, shoes and accessories, I automatically think of that designer as arrogant. I can name plenty of designers right off the top of my head who have top quality designs with reasonable prices, if it were not for them, I would not spend a dime in SL either.
#5, you’re COMPLETELY missing the point. What, you think you’re smug because you live on freebies? Enjoy looking like a fingerpainting done by a spastic 5 year old (with hooks for hands, during an earthquake). Good luck trying to put together any number of looks that dont have “seasonal hunt”, “group gift” or “lucky chair” written all over them.
Since my rez day, i must have spent about 100k L$ on clothes and other shit, and i have 10k L$ to my name right now. And you know what the best part of it is? i NEVER EVER had to pay actual RL money for a single L$. All I ever did was win contests and play Sploders, and that was enough for me to live large and always have at least 1000L in hand.
So yeah, enjoy your freebies. I’m going shopping
Ok I never comment but I’m a’gonna.
‘Dunno who is blogging just Armidi but, meh, whatever. I blog the crap outta Digit Darkes and if people don’t like it they can read the next post.
About Freebies…….I’m far more in favor of giving away freebies vs. Camping.
Someone I am very close to spends $600 USD (yes that’s greenbacks) a MONTH in PAYING OUT CAMPING to slags who are too lazy to GET SL jobs or simply do a little investigating on how to find nice items via freebies or hunts.
Many of them would have the attitude “Why should I hunt for freebies when I can just do this.”
As you can see, I am not anti-freebie, I am anti camping which is a totally different issue.
AS a Blogger without much income though in SL, I do try out your freebies and then I come back and buy. Not everyone Does this I realize. But their presence helps your traffic a bit, and moves your place of business UP in search therefore positioning it better for REAL shoppers.
I always find a direct correlation to new/better freebies and sales in my place. But no it isn’t the same people………I think it relates to my position in search going from 900 to 3k on certain given days.
Axel is a great shop that I keep going back to because of a couple of freebies I picked up from them, I probably own 4 or five pieces I paid for……and I’ll go back for more because I like their quality. They gave away the townsend tee in yellow, I liked and went back for it in white.
I just think people with bad manners are people with bad manners in all of their actions…….freebies is just one place they display them.
#4
I’d say it’s secondguru because a thief stole all the blog sources. She is not a fashion blogger.
Freebie/hunts/blogs do work for sales. I saw a limited edition skin on a blog that I wanted. It was part of a hunt. I hunted for it at Nomine, bought it for a few hundred $L. Later on, bought a custom pack of this skin, very happy with it.
If I can spend $4USD on a pack of cigarettes, I can spend $4USD on digital goods, it’s a waste of money either way. Just don’t have high prices and an attitude with your customers. I expect nothing less than the ultimate in customer service to go with high prices.
In regards to number 3: When you see something like that, it’s generally Gorean, not BDSM. There IS a difference. Gorean girls generally don’t have much dignity, whereas you could see a submissive in a regular BDSM relationship and you’d never know.
ROFL! It’s not my secret, and I’m not upset
Sorry to disappoint >.> I’ve been a weeeee bit busy with other things, no time to be making SLSecrets about retards on the grid.
Do not understand comment above about #4? Beauty Expert……..elaborate? Who stole what?
I’d like to elaborate on my secret a bit. For those of you who say “live and let live”… would you be cool with it if I started sucking my boyfriend’s dick in the middle of ETD? I mean, if you don’t like it, you can just look away, right? For that matter, do you think it’s ok if I go to a Gorean sim with a couple of friends and stage a dance party? I mean, it’s just good harmless fun, right? Just because this is SL and we can be whatever we want, that doesn’t mean that we can do whatever we want whereever we want. Running around in your roleplay gear and poses regardless of where you are, and acting as if everyone should respect that roleplay regardless of where you are, shows a lack of common courtesy.
I’m fully aware that submissives need hair/skin/clothes/shoes too. I’m not suggesting that they can’t go to mainstream stores to shop. I *am* suggesting that they remember where they are, and dress appropriately. Then after they tp out, they can go back to crawling around on the floor half naked.
@I’m #3 – well they aren’t really naked, its pixels for god sakes. Please don’t forget this is not reality, its cartoon girls and boys showing their cartoon naughty bits. Don’t take SL so seriously, have fun and let others have fun too!
@ I’m #3- Maybe if you understood a Gorean lifestyle more, you’d understand why you find people like that. For a lot of people it’s not “roleplay”, it’s their life. So you want them to respect your shopping space, why not try and respect their lifestyle choice. I’m not saying I agree with people walking around in their silks all the time, but it’s their choice. Honestly, just don’t look at them. No one says you have to cam up in everyone’s junk. If you’re shopping, look at the clothes.
#3 Girl:
I do not see you having an issue with those who are scantily clad in the background of that picture. This girl has on just as much clothing as some of them. The girls in the background could be described as half naked as well
All this girl seems to be doing is the submissive kneeling and crawling bit. So what? What if she was kneeling and crawling because she was playing at being a puppy in full puppy gear or as a Neko? So what? Was the store in a mature sim? Yes. Was she naked? No. Was she engaged in a sex act? No. I say again: So What?
Plenty of people run around in their roleplay gear regardless of what they roleplay. So what?
Bottom line: No one is making you do it. No one is making you dress in a camisk and locking a collar around your neck. No one is making your kneel and crawl. What do you care if this is the way this person enjoys their Second Life?
First off, I’m totally down with a dance party thrown on a Gorean Sim.
We’d probably get booted right away but like I care? FLASH MOB!
Second…….
Okay I’m weary of the freebie bashing. This is my Modest Proposal.
Let’s have a scripter write a script that requires them to say something either self deprecating about their need/want of freebies OR in High Praise of the Mighty Creator Who Is bringing them this might gift, in CHAT. Make them SHOUT IT – and ONLY THEN will they get their logo tee/dress/shoes/lingerie/skin/poke in the eye with a sharp stick. This should satisify the rage/ego of the designer who feels the need to be so put off by giving gifts.
Now, may we please have something else to bash?
@ im # 3. Well “live and let live” needs to be taken with a spoonfull of sugar.
There is a huge difference between public nudity and sexual acts, vs a gorean girl in silks on a chain. lol
But of course, it boils down to what someone is and isnt accepting of.
A child seeing a girl giving a BJ to a guy, is devestating. A child seeing a girl in silks on the floor would make them think “mommy what is she doing?” Theres just a huge difference.
In SL, it also depends whether the sim is mature or pg. If i were on a mature sim and i saw someone doing what you described id just be like “wtf luls look at those 2 idiots!” and move on.
If goreans are THAT upsetting to you, you need to come to a place within yourself where you just do not care anymore. its a peaceful place to be
@ John
“@5 We don’t mind! You are not going to spend $$$ anyway. For people like you freebies are the SL version of welfare. It also keeps you from looking like Sh*t on our screens. LOL”
LMAO
the GoFugYourSL blog has posted the group chat “Just Me” mentions.
The names were changed, I cant make out who any of those names really belong to. Maybe THAT’S why their sales are down.
Everyone always has to point fingers at something or someone. Freebies are the victim right now. And in moderation, I thought they were a good thing.
Ciao
RE: #5
I do a lot of the hunts. When I am on the hunt I do tp in grab the freebie and tp out as I want to finish the hunt. After done I unpack the goodies and sort. If I like the freebies I will almost always go back to the store for a second look. I spend a LOT of L’s in sl on clothes and have found some really nice stores due to the hunts. TY to all the designers that give us freebies
@Blah
Yep, that is it.
Dorra, I’m the same way about the hunts. It’s so great to be able to see a sample of what folks can do before spending Lindens there.
As for the people who insist on wearing the subby AOs in non-play or non-Gorean space, I find it stupid. I also find prim boobs, avs with the saddlebag slider set to 100, and bling that goes out past the av’s body stupid. It’s not a perfect world. Today, I saw a couple of women where one was wearing the subby AO and the other was clearly her mistress. In Alphamale and Blacklace. I rolled my eyes, grabbed the Greatest Love box they were next to, and TPed on. Get back to me when the nitwits start having sex on the floor of the store, ‘kay?
#3: ever heard of camming out? If it’s in a mature sim, the most someone could do is the shop owner ask them to dress proper IF it’s annoying many customers, not just one. Personally I don’t like humiliation, but if it’s their cup of tea…
#5: enjoy the freebies, you won’t make us feel bad for making them.
#3
Why you gotta be such a playah hater? If looking like the way they look makes them happy then that’s absolutely fantastic! They are not there to please you, they are there to shop and I salute them for not caring about what others might think. It’s their SLife, and they’re just expressing themselves the same way you are with your avatar’s looks, if you don’t like what you see then turn away or attach a mega prim on your left hip and adjust it so it blocks them from your view.
I say as long as they aren’t breaking any sim/parcel rules, not harassing anyone, and just doing their thing then you let them be. It’s ok to make fun of them amongst your friends, but its not ok to tell them to change their ways (that and you’re not their MASTER).
Also, what if somebody really doesn’t have dignity and class? why bother pretending?
I generally never go to a store just for the sake of a freebie. If I do get a freebie and like it I generally make it a point to find atleast one thing in the store that I like to buy. Maybe the angry non-freebie sellers are missing the point to why their sales are down. It’s not about the freebie at all it’s about the quality of your work and the way you promote and market it. There are stores that don’t offer freebies and are doing well.
In defence to some freebie takers who may come across as rude. Most SL shoppers do not scan the blogs so they don’t know SL shopping etiquette. Then you have people who have no idea who owns the shop to say “Hey thanks” if the owner is in the store. Even then I know that I’ve gone to shops while the owner was building something and didn’t want to destract them. Some of them have stopped what they’re doing to thank me. I thought in the beggining that this was possibly done by a store owner but after hearing about the chat log I’m leaning more towards that theory.
#5′s attitude, if i would be a designer I would kick her ass out of my store, lol
As for freebies. I love looking at Creamy & Co’s blog, to see whats new, see new designers and then some. If it wouldnt have been for FreeStyle, I would have never discovered ” Axel”! I freakin love her stuff. To me freebies, is to see what new stores, designers come up with and if I love it, I will buy the store empty. However some designers overdo it a bit, I don’t know if they feel obligated to have remind the crowd, of their goodies, by sending out to many freebies. I guess neither way is the right way.
* Cross Comment from the fug blog *
I am not a designer, but I have to agree with this post and designers getting tired of those mob freebie hunters. I looked like an total ass for days when I first started. But, pretty much we all did. I say, invest some dam 5k to your AV upon entering SL and then go from there. However, as I have mentioned at SCD, if it wouldnt have been for a freebie blog, I would have never discovered some stores. Maybe all top Designers should create a group which has to be payed for, either by month ( like club seven ) and really only offer quality new freebies to their paying group members. I, for one dont have the time to comb through all the stores and look for the amazing looks. So I often rely on blogs ( Ana Luteia, for instance ), to get my looks together. However I think a sincere group, with good designers, and a group blog, a pay group at that, would definetly benefit the designers and the buyers.
Maybe some to think about, because I would be so in and many other people I know would be as well.
Look, if you put out freebies, expect the “mob freebie hunters”. If it bothers you, then cease the putting out of freebies.
What makes me scratch my head at this point is not any issue of freebies, but issue with the content creators in that group. Theyre dellusional. 99.9% of them own shops that may or may not have been good stores back in 2006. It is 2009 now, they need to look around and realize all of the new BETTER brands in SL, making BETTER content, and THAT is why their sales are down – New and better stores to spend your $L at boyyyy.
I think that is a problem with humanity, we all tend to live in our own little subgroups thinking we are IT and theres no other way of life. Just look at how America acts.
#3 I see kajirae in my local supermarket most days, crawling around on their hands and knees, begging for tickets for the fishmongers counter. “May girl have some John Dory?” they plead. I have no issues with that. What I do have issues with are kajirus disguising their male members as continental sausages. That has NEVER been funny.
I got the last laugh on Wednesday though when I ordered 4 ounces of salami thinly sliced.
Take that John Norman.
“Also, what if somebody really doesn’t have dignity and class?”
then they get a blog and start posting to the fashion feed!
also, dont quote me on this, but i’m pretty sure one of the persons in that chatlog (based from someone on it calling her by full name) is the girl from awesome designs
@SR BSNSS
I have that blog on my google reader but I have not seen it on a feed anywhere. Always thought it was my secret news source. It is where I found my favorite proxy server to use before then I never commented on blogs. You are probably right about the name thing. I thought she was one of them based on the shortened name. Only 1 person on that really bugged me and I don’t shop at their store anyways.
KitW – you SO get it – kudos
My new hero/ine 
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oh, and can I just say ‘The Icestone has melted!’
#3 – my two penneth
I am a Gorean roleplayer, I know the difference between being in character, and when I need to be out of character and I dress accordingly. Just like I wouldn’t wear my lobster costume to a funeral, I wouldn’t walk around ETD with my ladygarden hanging out. Time and a place and all that.
Yup, I’m all for freedom for expression, but pixelated or not, some people are fed up of seeing fannys and men’s todgers hanging out over the grid. Prudes? Maybe… but I for one wouldn’t want my greengrocer to have his dirty spuds hanging over my fruit and veg? (Off the point slightly but I just like the term “dirty spuds” and was looking for an excuse to use it)
I guess some people are tired of shopping in stores where they have to mute most people to block bling or their gestures, adjust light settings to get rid of facelight glare and turn down sound to mute collars which have more bells than Santa’s sleigh. Yes, I’m probably one of the grumpy ones, so stores, take note of online shopping a la armidi – keep us grumbly ones in our skyboxes so we cannot spread our hatred through the metaverse.
Armidi, LeLutka, Muism, Seven Ultra Lounge – all the beautiful sims and stores, I see them as roleplaying a lifestyle aspiration. Some people want to feel famous, beautiful and fabulous dahrlings – that is what they come to SL for. But sooner or later, someone with a huge watermelon arse, or a person in nadu will come into view, shattering that illusion. Yes, it’s bloody elitist, but it’s part of their chosen SL lifestyle. These people don’t go into Gor, they aren’t allowed in most sims anyway because of what they wear and not being “Gorean” so why do they have to accept half naked women and men being in places where they like to hang out in? (IMHO, more people should explore Gor because some of the builds are bloody beautiful). Fuck it, if Goreans want to extend their roleplay into non-Gorean stores and clubs, then non-Goreans should be able to ride around Midgaard or wherever on the back of flying geese and not fear the angry IM’s and land bannings. Tolerance – it’s what it all comes down to. You can’t expect people to be tolerant of your ideals whilst not respecting others.
I try and move on, most people don’t have a fucking clue about the whole BDSM scene and mix it up with Gor and some other nonsense they pulled off the grid anyway. Ponygirls in silks, men being white silk to their wives??? I roll my eyes and TP away, back to the safety of Grump H.Q in the sky, chanting over and over in my head “tolerance, understanding, peace”.
I love your comments KitW!!!
“(IMHO, more people should explore Gor because some of the builds are bloody beautiful)”
I would, and I’ve been there out of character once to visit a dear friend, but I’m a fierce roleplayer – and a fierce feminist, so things there would just make me terribly angry. Oh well.
Muisms build is fugly, they need to hire someone and get that taken care of.
I quote “but it’s part of their chosen SL lifestyle. These people don’t go into Gor, they aren’t allowed in most sims anyway because of what they wear and not being “Gorean†so why do they have to accept half naked women and men being in places where they like to hang out in? ”
THIS!
Thank you KitW…..
You win the internets! Awesome
I’m so vanilla that I don’t know what a ponygirl is or why she shouldn’t be in silks
But thank you for understanding where I’m coming from.
Hmm I dunno I’ve went onto gorean land several times and never had a problem. I must say, it was very weird
1: LOL
2: sounds all too familiar but in my eyes, its up to them to deal with
3: Honestly, its their choice to practice this, and while i don’t rp myself, i don’t see what the problem is with it being everywhere…. as long as i’m not forced to take part.
4: Does it really matter? Give the person a chance, maybe offer to help them if its what they want to do.
5. This post has made my mind up about a decision I’ve been trying to make. If thats the attitude of freebie shoppers, why would I want to keep offering them?
@ trubs:
“5. This post has made my mind up about a decision I’ve been trying to make. If thats the attitude of freebie shoppers, why would I want to keep offering them?”
Because not all freebie shoppers have this attitude.
OMG @ 3 , high five that person who submitted that secret. That is one of my pet peeves of role playing ….. I am constantly rollling my eyes when I see some poor pathetic creature on the floor in a bloody store.
I think #5 is a plant. I’ve NEVER met a freebie hunter with this attitude.
#5 is a bit ridiculous to me.. i understand why people would do that – I love freebies too – but ONLY getting freebies? holy crap. supporting the content creators a bit would be lovely.. even a small donation would help, imo. that’s just me though.
whether people really do that or not, i don’t know. things are a bit different on the teen grid.
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