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最近的 plurk 回應:
| moo Money | I thought obvious secrets weren't supposed to make it in? |
| Gogo | well, moo money broke it |
| Cake | no secrets for me |
| Gogo | i think i can pull it up in my reader |
| Gogo | ah yea, there it is |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | the site just takes a bit to load be patient |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | anyway one of those I will probably be accused of making. I didn't make it. But its the reason I asked about it. That is all. |
| moo Money | If it's the obvious one, I didn't think you made it. I noticed that Iris did the posting, so maybe she wasn't aware of how obvious it was, but if it's a mention of a plurker, it's generally obvious. |
| moo Money | Also how many times can I say obvious in one plurk? *Whoa.* |
| moo Money | sdfjslf I'm so fail at italics. |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | oh and 24... |
| Juniper♫Arwyn | Number 10... Shut up. Just, shut up. There's enough shaming put on women having abortions, shut your mouth and get over yourself. You are so selfish. |
| Miyani | Number 10 was the least offensive of the times she got called out. Doing it anonymously isn't "right," but I get it. 5 and 21? Be ashamed. Be very ashamed. |
| moo Money | Wow I didn't even think about those being about her as well. Sad. |
| Xiomara | I don't know who # 10 is about, but I want to give them a big hug (the one who had the abortion, not the judgmental bitch. |
| Xiomara | Also LOL @ #17 |
| Tillie | What's this 20 thingy? |
| Art Frakture | I love how you all wash your hands from responsibility for this venom. It is brilliant I tell you, brilliant. |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | Anyway... you all can get the bee out your bonnet. I've done my one good deed for the year. Enjoy... |
| Art Frakture | Congratulations, I'm glad you are happy with yourself too. |
| Jeli | I look at SL Secrets as a direct representation of the climate on Plurk and Second Life. For as long as SL and Plurk are full of hate mongering asswipes, so will SL Secrets be that way, too. |
| Jeli | The end. |
| Art Frakture | I only look at the secrets every week so I can make sure that MY friends aren't being targets by the pathetic swine who want to spit at them. |
| Art Frakture | So don't get up on your high horses thinking we ALL here want to look at people's dirty laundry. I'm sure I am not alone. |
| Art Frakture | Anyone who is friends with those who make these hateful secrets? Take a look in the mirror before you open your mouth. |
| Jeli | But that's the world these people live in. SL Secrets, from what I gather, was intended to be a sort of Postsecret-esque thing. Not a place for gossip. However because that's the way of Second Life to be petty, |
| Jeli | thoughtless and a bully behind the anonymous screen, that's what it has spiraled down into. |
| Art Frakture | Well if that is the case & the authors allow secrets that are quite obviously about very specific people intended to hurt them? Sorry, the directors are as responsible for this as the writers. |
| Jeli | No one wants to have a discussion anymore. It's all about fighting and who is most correct and has the best opinion. There's never any "agreeing to disagree". |
| Jeli | The feature is what brings people to the site and generates traffic. It's the same thing as slowing down on the highway to look at a car accident. It draws attention. It's not great attention but look |
| Jeli | at the source(s). |
| Art Frakture | If SLDisco doesn't take a hard look at themselves, the humans running this page & who they are? Is this really who you are? Weekly World News? A dirty SL tabloid? |
| Art Frakture | Congratulations if you want to be that. |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | on Friday we had 3 Sweet Fridays an outlet we created for people to be positive. Today we have 22 secrets and a good percentage of them are not positive. |
| Jeli | If SCD staff began disallowing secrets based on what they feel popular opinion would dislike then that's them essentially applying the rules however they see fit. People would still complain. |
| Art Frakture | Yeah, use Sweet Fridays to justify Secrets. |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | If you hate secrets don't read them You can read and submit a sweet friday and be part of something positive |
| Jeli | Yeah, just.. don't send in hateful secrets. OR counteract them with good ones. |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | artfrakture: I'm not justifying Secrets. I don't have to. |
| Tyr | I feel like the obvious plurk related secrets should be pulled from the running. Its like the same secret every week |
| Art Frakture | I told you, I read secrets to make sure my friends aren't being hurt by them, I HATE secrets |
| Tyr | for forever and ever, worded differently about plurk and the people on it. |
| Jeli | No one said that Sunday SL Secrets has to be terrible. The Postsecret guy heavily filters what he posts, mostly for space, I am sure, as he gets bazillions of them. But he doesn't have a set list of rules. |
| Tyr | like why are you even here if you hate it so much LOL just set to private and pick who you want on your TL |
| Jeli | Here? We need rules because people are idiots and whine over every little thing. |
| Art Frakture | So if I want to make a site that talks shit about women in SL and how they are are whores & bitches who have issues & people post horrible things on that site, you are saying that my hands are clean? |
| Art Frakture | Oh I didn't put it there |
| Art Frakture | someone else did |
| Art Frakture | Sorry, I'm questioning the value of Secrets |
| Jeli | Certainly. There is a comment section down below where people can comment. And the following week, put up your own secret. |
| Jeli | It's no different than writing the same in a Plurk. |
| Jeli | People are assholes all the time. Some of them go into politics. |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | As long as people read and submit them they have value. |
| Jeli | Technically it's free speech. You can't take that right away. |
| Jeli | It's ugly and hateful and their opinion is morally wrong but there aren't Plurk Police or the Facebook Morality Squad who skims every post made and doles out tickets for being a douche. |
| Art Frakture | I'm not taking anyone's right away from free speech, I'm questioning the people who want to continue to produce a rag that is involved in the act of talking shit about others |
| Art Frakture | Good job, those of you who produce this. I'm proud of the way that you wipe your hands |
| Tyr | you know what |
| Jeli | So they should shut down Plurk, too? |
| Jeli | And the whole internet? |
| Tyr | my right boob itches and i have no idea why. |
| Tyr | this is really important you guys |
| Art Frakture | Jeli you are right peopel talk shit. |
| Art Frakture | I know! |
| Art Frakture | I have my right to free speech & I have seen friends get trashed in here |
| Art Frakture | I have had at least two wonderful secrets written about me wonderful sweet ones |
| Art Frakture | I'm just pissed off, I see my friends get thrashed through here. |
| Jeli | Then you could tell your friends to have the secrets removed by contacting SCD directly. Otherwise, submit something that's not full of hate. |
| Jeli | If someone posted a secret about me, good or bad, I would be completely amused. |
| Jeli | Even if it's horrible and wrong, the fact that I ME annoyed someone that much would bring so much glee to my day that I don't know what I'd do. |
| Jeli | But I know other people don't share that view so they do have an option to remove them. No, the secret author shouldn't have been such a jerk but people are adults here and shouldn't wear their feelings |
| Jeli | on their sleeves either. |
| Art Frakture | Thanks, I'm removing the people associated with secrets & I could care less about anyone supporting this shit. |
| Xiomara | Welp, looks like we all know who wrote this secret. |
| Xiomara | artfrakture: Your friends are adults, they don't need you to white knight for them. |
| Jeli | LOL Sadly there are many people every week who post how they hate the SL Secrets but then talk about them all day long. It's not just Art, I assure you! And I have a fairly small timeline. |
| Darkley | SL secrets are a reflection of us, they are not shocking because people on SL are arseholes |
| Xiomara | Oh, I know it's not just Art who rages against the oppression of the Shopping Cart DIsco regime, but he's the most vocal in this plurk. |
| SySy | I see nothing good at ALL about secrets. I think its time for them to go honestly. |
| Xiomara | I find his outrage rather obnoxious tbh. |
| Darkley |
| Jeli | Darkley: That's exactly the point I was trying to make, too. |
| Jeli | Well with the reflection comment anyway. LOL |
| Darkley |
| SySy | i litteraly got a headache from this weeks. and i KNOW its my own responsibility to read them or not read them, i'm jus twondering, WHY? what does it bring? |
| Becklyn | Why do people keep asking why? Like it's a question that's going to get answered, or like the secrets will magically go away after 3 years just b/c people keep asking why they're still around? |
| Becklyn | Don't read them. It's that simple. |
| Becklyn | If you read them, you have no one to blame for your frustration but yourself. |
| SySy | Beck i know...its up to everyone to read them or not. I just think its getting so fucking NASTY each time around ya know.. |
| SySy | whats the use anyway |
| Becklyn | It is nasty, they've been nasty for years, this is nothing new. |
| Becklyn | It's not changing, they're probably not going away and everyone just needs to get a grip and realize that. Don't read them if you don't want to. |
| Becklyn | I don't understand why that concept is so hard for people to grasp. |
| Xiomara | RL PostSecret isn't exactly all sweetness and light either. |
| Darkley | RL post secret is a lot worse |
| Darkley | people live in a little unicorn and glitter bubble where everything is lovely, and everyone is amazing, and they are blind to their own nastiness and their BFF nastiness |
| SySy | I don't know RL secret lol. but i guess you got a point Beck. i don't HAVE to read them. It just gets increasingly vile and personal (hell they always have been) and its really really fucked up each week |
| Darkley | and when out of the blue one of 'theirs' is on the recieving end theres uproar |
| SySy | to have that drama about it |
| Becklyn | It does not get any more vile or nasty than it has been in the past. The bad secrets have always been vile and nasty and personal to the people who know what they are about. |
| Becklyn | Your only mode of defense is to take responsibility on your own and stop reading them. |
| Darkley | ^^ |
| Becklyn | Anon is not going to hack SCD and take down the secrets. So it's time to start practicing some self-control. |
| Darkley | if you have ever stood silent while one of your friends has attacked someone on any social media then you stfu |
| Ms. Natasha | Amen tobefree |
| Doom Cookie | Actually I don't think they could take Kess. Her kung-fu is strong. |
| Becklyn | Yeah Kess probably IS Anon, so in that case you're double-fucked. |
| SySy | Darkley, me? |
| Darkley | no, not specific |
| SySy | cause this IS one of my friends being attacked ont he social media |
| SySy | and i'm not standing silent for that reason! |
| Darkley | im just saying people need to police themselves |
| Darkley | no, if your friend is the attacker |
| Darkley | thats my point |
| SySy | well as i said earlier, i have to agree with that. |
| SySy | ooooh! ok |
| SySy | i have NO idea who the attackers even are |
| Tillie | The statement "Your friends are adults, they don't need you to white knight for them." is just wrong. There are many adult people around who are NOT strong enough to fight for themselves. |
| Tillie | Please don't compare other people with yourself, thank you. |
| CapitánSileny | I agree with that Tillie. When I was going through a rough time with harassment my friends stood up for me and helped me get the strength to then stand up for myself. |
| Xiomara | See I disagree with that. We're talking about adults who should have life experience, not middle schoolers being bullied. |
| Xiomara | The internet can be a tough, scary place, and adults should realize that. |
| Xiomara | Yes, I have had friends on here who were harrassed and bullied in SL, plurk, etc. Of course they were worried and scared. |
| Xiomara | But they handled what was happening like adults, and didn't demand that everyone become their personal army. |
| moo Money | Not everyone has a strong resolve and a fuck you attitude to handle bullying. While I generally don't agree with the whole plurk army defense thing for most of the silly situations that pop up, I think people |
| moo Money | are so genuinely outraged by her treatment that they're speaking out. |
| ✿ ~Lourdes~ ✿ | I think there is outrage on both sides of the whole situation. One is not more valid than the other. |
| Cake | XiomaraMendes: I agree. |
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As someone who is Christian, and also staunchly Pro-Life it may seem strange that I feel the need to come to the defense of one of my plurk friends who is obviously going through a tough time. I admit, when I first saw the plurks I struggled with the choice of whether or not to remove her. And I’ll admit the openly, with my name and email address there for all to see. But in the end I decided that I just wouldn’t say anything, and pray for her.
I don’t know when the WBC types started flooding into plurk and SCD but damn I guess they really do have eyes everywhere. But since we’re all reading the Bible today, I’d like to point out a couple of other verses you might find interesting.
1 Corinthians 5:12
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
And I think this is most important…
Romans 14:12-13
So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
By being jerks, and using the Bible to be your jerky selves you’re just putting a stumbling block in someones way to Christ. And by doing it so publicly you’re just putting one more notch in the belt of everyone who says that all Christians are nothing but self righteous, judgmental prigs. STOP DOING THIS!
And remember this…
1 Timothy 2:1
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people
And most importantly this…
John 13:34
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
I didn’t see the secret since it was taken down before I could, and I do not know who the secret is about but I am so insanely guilty of judging someone for this..and for other things as well. Thank you so much for your post it is the truth and we should all try to remember that before we decide to judge a person. I was put in a position where people were trying to force me into having an abortion however my beliefs went against what people were pressuring me to do, even though my situation at the time wasn’t ideal for me or any child, I didn’t go through with it and ended up having a miscarriage and have always thought because i was put in that position and knew what it was like to make “the right choice” I had the right to judge others for their choices. I know blah blah blah.. I just want to thank you Trix for helping me personally with your comment. <3
@ 20 I agree completely I don’t know who its about .. i never do with these things, but people loving you for someone you pretend to be is never as good as someone loving you for who you really are. Even if no one ever loves you for who you really are at least you love yourself enough to be you… and in sl that is the hardest thing to do.
I disagree, for two reasons.
1. I do not think it is alright to set aside your morality just because someone is your friend. I believe that abortions are sinful, and I won\’t stop believing in God\’s laws just because someone I know goes against them. It is important to be firm with what you believe. I think you should be supportive emotionally for her, because that is what friends do. And you should hope she makes the right choice and that she finds peace. But don\’t change your values for anyone.
2. Being so public about abortions is distasteful. I don\’t mean distasteful like \”they didn\’t include an oyster fork and a caviar spoon in the dinner service.\” I mean that it can really damage others who have gone through the same predicament. It is also incredibly terrible when the abortion does happen and everyone knows what you did. It\’s just one of those topics that doesn\’t need to be made public. Tell your friends, don\’t tell the world.
Lastly, if someone brings their woes out into the public eye, they open themselves up for judgement. It is our responsibility as Godfearing people to witness these things and recognize them for what they are. It IS her life, and it IS her choice. It is not my life, or my choice. All I can do is say I disagree, and let her continue on her journey. I won\’t be writing any laws to stop her, nor will I be wielding the knife.
Since there is nothing shameful about what she did, there is no reason she is required to keep it private and secret or pretend to feel shame because some people think she should be shamed and think women are second class citizens.
I think it’ is far more shameful for people to use anonymity to try to humiliate and shame someone for a personal medical decision that is 100% legal and 1000% none of their business.
As to religion and God’s law, it always amazes me how selective people are about the rules that matter. After all, Jesus said the greatest commandment is that you love one another, but the secret makers failed that one completely. Of course, they ignore the instructions on stoning disobedient children, marrying your brother’s widow and pretend there is no polygamy in the Bible, so the biblical morality is pretty selective. But then, taking one’s morality from a god who has commandments about honoring the sabbath and not coveting the neighbor’s mule but doesn’t have a commandment against rape seems odd in the first place.
If you consider the account of the Genesis Flood to be historical fact, then you have to contend with the concept that the God of Genesis committed global genocide of around seven billion human beings. Let’s be conservative and say that two billion were children and infants.
I think the Judeo-Christian “sanctity of life” argument pretty much falls apart there, for me at least.
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. … For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. — Deuteronomy 22:25-27
I have been thinking the same thing #3. Even the avatar looks similiar…
Who said anything about putting aside their morality?
Secondly, plurk isn\’t exactly public. Yes it\’s a social network, but it\’s extremely anonymous. We don\’t even use our real names. And as the girl in question has said over and over and over again, if it bothers you you can remove her. She obviously needed a place to let it out and get some support. I know that\’s what I use plurk for a lot of the time, to talk about things that I don\’t feel comfortable enough to talk about publicly. Like depression, like my weight, like my semi-liberal tendencies, like my love life. Is that wrong? I don\’t think so.
That was meant to be a reply, but it didn\’t come out that way for some reason.
I’ve been away from Plurk, so I hadn’t seen the person post about the abortion. But I know who she is, and have heard since these secrets what she recently – bravely – shared looking for support and guidance.
It’s very easy to point fingers and jump on the god bandwagon. I’m an atheist, so I have no “moral” issues with that. To me, it’s FAR more “immoral” to have a child you know you don’t want to be part of your life. And my personal opinion on “adoption is the answer” is bound to be an unpopular one, but for me, it’s more immoral to give up a child to a family you know nothing about and who – sadly – might abuse said child. If you KNOW a baby isn’t right for you, it’s utterly absurd and wrong to have that child. I have sadly had too many friends who were adopted and abused or neglected. I’ve also worked in daycares where people who went through adoption didn’t truly love or value those kids. A person who gives up a child for adoption never knows, for sure, with the rare exception of open adoptions, if that child will be loved the way a child deserves to be loved.
I couldn’t have kids. It’s always hard for me when someone gets pregnant easily and doesn’t want to be pregnant… but I have far, far, far more respect for the couple who says “this is just not right for us” than I do the couple who goes, “oops, well guess we’re supposed to be parents now even though we don’t really want a kid and it will be a burden to us.”
But that’s just me. Regardless of personal values and opinions EVERY WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE A CHOICE FOR HER OWN BODY. You don’t have to agree with it, but blindly judge it, and harass the person anonymously… that’s just absolute trash.
You want to see someone lacking morals and good judgment? Look in the damn mirror.
Finally coming upon the whole story that inspired the removed post. I have to say, I’m pretty disgusted with everyone who talked about the poor woman behind her back. Throughout the conversation, I saw a sense of entitlement from everyone who spoke, as if they were the ones who had to make the decision of keeping or aborting the baby. In fact, I felt it was more disgusting than whatever the mother might have expressed about what she was going through.
The tone taken, in fact, was enough to cause me to boycott the involved parties’ stores. It’s not much, but I hope if anyone is disgusted like I am, you’ll show your displeasure that way.
Also: if any of the guilty parties read this: I think you’re all horrible people. I’m glad I don’t know any of you that well, because I never want to.
Which stores are those?
To those that decided to judge… go fuck yourselves.
Thank you