…That was a really late comment and pretty garbled, forgive..

A) To designers complaining about freebie mongers. Yeah, some people are just gonna grab it leave and never return, but at the same time when you put out a freebie, you’re displaying the quality of your product. Put out a good product people just might notice that its *high quality* and come back to check your ish out. I know I do, and I did that even before I joined the ranks of the fashion blog world. The freebie is like a first impression, if that impression is good you’re going to pique interest, and that may result in sales.

B) I generally agree with the “it was free don’t complain” mantra so many people have. At the same time though, when I’ve spent a lot of time in a store on a hunt, only to find myself laden down with crap I have to throw away? Fuck you. I spent my time, and I myself find that to be a commodity, so yeah I *DID* pay for it. Also reference point A, you’re better off being slightly generous with the quality of your freebies.

P.S. Does this diversity issue mean I get to hate one designers that think that “pale” means “locked under the stairs for 10 years”, I would like SOME pigment dammit, I just don’t want to be tan But at the same time, I was able to find designers that are able to do it, I just understand that not all designers are capable of it.

In short, if you ever feel like complaining about what is available in sl do me and the rest of the residents a favor:
Shut up and create what you like, others may thank you for it.
That’s the reason I began animating…

If you were a designer who has contributed something OF YOUR OWN to the hunt i have NO PROBLEM with you, even the one’s who’ve contributed all of two alpha textures to make a ‘rose bush’ prize, you still took the time to create something and that’s great.

My gripe is those who HAVE NOT designed anything for the hunt and put items they DIDN’T CREATE into their globe, ie, full perm freebies easily obtainable anywhere, nothing SPECIAL for this SPECIAL PEACE ON EARTH HUNT.

So yes if your prize was a ‘suicide boat’, a tee dissing my mother, an illegal sound snippet put into a gesture but you still took the time and effort to make something and show your ‘goodwill’ in this hunt i have NO ISSUE with you. If you’ve NOT CREATED your prize item, NOT DESIGNED ANYTHING then yes i do have a problem with you. I hope that is clear now.

My other gripe is with the organisers as the organisation has been sloppy from day one. A difficult hunt won’t help anyone gain shoppers. If someone is angry because the chain is broken in front of them they certainly won’t feel positive looking around your store, they will want to whiz through the chain as fast as possible as a ‘designer’ you surely understand this.

If people can’t even get to your store to see your items, how on earth are you going to have new shoppers? lol….

Sheesh.

I think the whole point here, is someone (CAT), is complaining because, obviously, they are not included in this as a designer but, that of a shopper.

I have noticed, that with many “complainers”, of the FREE 0L hunts, are the ppl that are jealous.

They are saddened that they can not contribute so they try to make the designers feel that they are unworthy.

Well Cat..

How about this.

Challenge time.

Get off your complaining WAZOO
And create something.

Show “us” how it’s done!

Since, “we”. apparently do not measure up to your idea of brilliancy.

I am sorry to the other designers out there, that need to put up with ppl like this, all the time.
It is a very extreme shame that, this “person” chose a hunt meant to let ppl have fun.

Why are you coming down on the organizers?
THEY did a GRAND job at putting this together.
Personally I would not have the patience, to deal with belligerent ppl like yourself CAT!
It would no longer be peace for me if you had even remotely came at me, if I were an organizer, and tried this crap with me!

Honestly ppl..

Just ignore the griper.

And Gripper Cat.. you don’t like it?
SHOVE OFF!

Sidenote: The hunt has increased my traffic a lot even though people arent staying very long.

- but another reason – and one i find WAY more disturbing is something I learned talking in one of my groups a while back: Racism .. in a world where people walk around in blue, green and purpleskin, as furries and tinys – racism to my amazement STILL exists and is STILL aimed to a large degree against black people (I refuse to call them african-americans because they are not all americans!!)

- the comments are nasty and I wont quote but one! This one was said to a girl who is black in RL and because of that chose to use an black skin in SL as well- “There’s no need for you to run around looking like a stupid nigger – I’m sorry you can’t afford a decent skin – here – have a freebie skin from me!! it’s WHITE!!” – this said by a girl with feline ears, tail AND paws – nope not making this up.

So – in my opinion the REAL problem isnt the difficulty in finding good ethnic skins – the real problem is racism.

Instead of ragging on those skinners that admit they dont know how to do an ethnic skin in a good enough quality and therefor do not offer them – aim your sharp pens at the intolerant ones, the racists

Be who you are – or be who you want to be – that is one of the great things about SL – we can do both – and as long as your choice harms no one – it is still YOUR choice

- oh – hmm – and on a sidenote – we, as in the POE vendors – are NOT all huge famous stores for whom the POE hunt is just another drop in an already huge ocean – enough said on that subject

Yuh that is exactly how laggy stores get such high traffic. more lag = people staying longer to see the stuff . I think an avatar needs to be on the sim for around 10 minutes for it to register? Something like that.

Approx 150 globes a day = 150 more people in your shop, and your sales didn’t increase? Thats just proof hunts attract A) freebie mongers and/or B) people who wouldnt of bought the stuff anyway. Hunts benefit the community more than the shop owner, but thats not neccessarily a bad thing, its good to give.

If people are out to spend money, they’ll make a way to your shop and spend money. maybe at the least your shop was able to gain some new exposure even if people didn’t purchase..they werent out to purchase.

That’s not a valid claim.

That would be like Coca Cola telling me to take down a photo I had on my RL flickr account because, incidentally, I’m drinking a coke in some summer photo.

@ROFLMAO – “From all the hunts I’ve done, depriming helps, and it can be frustrating to see someone flying around with prim paws and prim head when the rest of us have been asked to remove our hair and other attachments.”

Amen, amen, and amen. This goes for the prim hair and RP-specific HUD wearers as well. And the scripted wings. And the fur bits.

@ Cat – I’ve seen one globe in the 400 that had stuff that looked like a pile of full-perm freebies. I’ve seen more than one that was a recycled group gift, though, which I find almost as annoying. Especially when I’m already in the group. One store has the same freebie in a satellite store that they put in the globe in their main one. I saw that and was not impressed.

So was she lying or have those people really struggled in the 16 days to make it through the chain to your store?

Secondly, 400 stores, huge names, people from all over the grid and such a low, low count. Many of the stores participating in the hunt have mailing lists far bigger than 2445! Some of the stores in the hunt would probably have near this amount of customers visit daily without a hunt taking place.

I have enjoyed what I’ve done of the POE hunt despite those people who didn’t seem to care what they put in their globe (ie, not even their own creations) but I do think the organisation was very, very lax making it difficult for people to complete and possibly resulting in a lack of interest by the masses. It doesn’t help that store owners are moving their globes. I remember going to one store in the #70s which had a sign which told me the globe was on the upper floor, when it was in fact out side of the store. I’m patient and continued on but I know many, many would not have.

Perhaps this is why in 16 days with over 400 stores participating you’ve only had near 2500 visitors.

Hunt entertainment: thumbs up
Hunt prizes: thumbs up for those who actually followed the rules and made a peace on earth prize and down for those who went to freebie dungeon picked a few items up there and shoved it in the globe
Hunt organisation and ease to navigate: thumbs down

The only place I have seen a handful of hunters is at Best of SL where they’re so confused as the globes here don’t carry landmarks rather a notecard and even there it’s quiet.

And for the record, I didn’t post in the image here, nor did I even get the chance to see it before Iris had removed the piece.

Sheesh.

I can’t believe I’m the only one seeing something awry there.

I just downloaded my stats from the SL site to see how many globes I have sold overall. Since the start of the hunt I have sold 2445! Thats about 144 people per day coming into my store.

Also, there will always be people who whinge about treasure hunts. Usually people who think they’re entitled to freebies.

That being said, if people really are putting stuff from freebie boxes in, the organisers should be told and the people concerned told to get the hell out of Dodge.

Designer Ayesha Bisiani specializes in ethnic skins. I had occasion to meet her when I won a SL photo contest that had a free Skin Within skin as part of the prize package. I found Ayesha to be very pleasant and accommodating.

I think beauty is found in all skin shades, and it’s encouraging to have a skin designer like Ayesha on the grid who not only shares this view, but has devoted her line to it.

the lighter skin tones at Redgrave are ok.

i love that sl can be about creating the you that you can’t be in rl. i don’t understand some judging others for their choices. if you’re not into them then don’t look.

two things:

1. don’t sweat the small stuff
2. it’s all small stuff

happy holidays to all! : )

I don’t want to tell anyone how to run their business. If a creator isn’t sure about shading for darker tones then I don’t blame them. I’ve never gone as far to say I won’t buy their other products but if I go there for the skin I’ll probably TP right out and keep searching for what I want. Yes if we really want it we could make our own skins but skin isn’t my forte so I leave it to the experts. I’ll just keep shopping at the experts who do it well and offer the shades that I want.

@blahblahblah

I’d like to know how much is really being made. The skin I had to change because everyone was wearing it was a Redgrave skin. I see a large number of darker skinned avi’s wearing Redgrave and they feature about 4 or 5 different darker shades along with the 2 or so asian ones. Why have they chosen to do so much darker skins? As far as “accessorising” and changing shapes I know personally if I don’t like a skin it won’t look good to me in any shape.

Chip Midnight

and

Second Skin Labs

Second skin, if memory serves me right, makes you purchase a whole pack so you may just want to check out chip midnight to see if he sells singles.

Why some skin stores only sell packs is beyond me.

I agree with everyone who is saying designers make what theyre comfortable with. Due to many shops having their own unique personality, i would have to agree with that. Not everyone is out to be some huge marketing guru. Many just do what they enjoy and enjoy making, this happens to be what they know about which may NOT be ethnic skins.

Making ethnic skins is like making menswear. You wont sell much so no one really does it *Shrugz*

Most people, unless they love it, probably will not spend 2 months making an ethnic skin when the return on it is only going to be $50 usd. as opposed to making a top notch “caucasion” skin and making $5,000 usd+

Instead of fussing you cant find an ethnic skin, go with what you can find and accessorise yourself and customize your shape to look more ethnic, youd be surprised with what you can achive.

I do somewhat agree with you. The black skins are always WAY to dark or have terrible make up. Lost thereian and minnu have lovely skins right now. All the asian skins look the same. But to be honest… it’s just a game.
I think there are a lot of different type of skins out there. You’re just not looking in the right spot.

5) This makes no sense at all to me.

others have gone to freebie warehouse, picked up what they can and stuffed it in the globe, not even their own creations as a prize. So yes i will diss the hunt for that. It’s people flouting the rules completely. They shouldn’t have been allowed to enter.

As for the organisation people still didnt have their globes on the day of the hunt so it WAS poorly organised you’d think the globes would hve been given out days even a week or so before the hunt took place.

Sure it’s picking up now but honestly what hunt location is busy? When compared to previous grid hunts. People can’t be bothered with badly organised events. I know you do work hard I’ve seen you hopping through the locations Beulah so you must know which people have put effort into their prizes, which prizes are good will and not-so-good will instead of looking at which blogs ‘moan’, why not fix the problems so there’s nothing to moan about?

There’s a terrible lack of diversity in skins, not only in colours but in types of skins especially mens, I’m not sure all the men on SL want to be hair free. It seems these days the majority just add some makeup from the eloah templates and push it off as the hottest new model skin purrrlhease!!

Furry avs are high arc and should be more considerate but then so should all those creators who think every item box should have a 1024 by 1024 texture on the front of it as an advert.

As for furries, yes, a basic furry avatar probably has a lower ARC than some hair. But how many furries are just “basic”? I’ve seen a good number of furries that also have primtastic hair like non-furries. ARC is also only one measure, and I don’t think it looks as scripts, such as the ones that animate the eyes, mouth or tail. (I could be wrong on that, but it is a factor).

It’s also interesting to see how the word “dislike” was morphed into “hate”. Now, I know people that I’m not fond of, but I don’t having a seething loathing for them. But SCD comments tend to have a life of their own, anyways.

From all the hunts I’ve done, depriming helps, and it can be frustrating to see someone flying around with prim paws and prim head when the rest of us have been asked to remove our hair and other attachments.