Welcome to SLsecret, week 1.
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SLsecret is published every Sunday at Shopping Cart Disco. To upload your own secrets for next week, click here.
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oh squeeeeeeeeeeeeee and weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
This is fun. A great idea.
Some of those secrets are really, really mean. Especially the one that picks on the shoes.
And if you don’t like child avatars don’t hang out with them. It’s not like it’s hard.
I guess it’s easy to be catty bitches when no one is looking.
RL post secrets a lot like this i like the concept but some of those do seem to be done to get a rise from people maybe?
Hmm. Well, I recognize one person. I guess someone has a secret crush on my boyfriend.
Some of them are mean… I like the ones of the deep-dark-secret variety myself. Fun idea, though.
I think this is a great idea.. as it gets going someone should send a link to Frank W.. i bet he will love this.
I would wear those shoes.
Sculpty doesn’t equal superior, and a sense of humor and creativity is far more appealing to me than Armidi-like perfection. Do feel bad for me if you must.
I feel sorry for people who have to make others feel like crap to make themselves feel better..
my Linden balance and the amount of people who actually DO buy my shoes say you’re wrong..
Enjoy your SL!
Interesting first week! I get a feeling some of these are RL, and most are SL. I might just be imagining things, though. Should they all be SL-based?
Wow… Pretty cruel. So, is the idea that anyone who can make a semi-artsy picture with text in PS can get it posted here? Because I’m failing to see how calling child avatars slutty or making fun of someone’s shoes is a secret.
I am not sure I really understand the point of this post. Are these the Secrets of the SCD staff, or were they submitted anonymously, or are they both?
I see a couple of hot button topics tossed in, Like the “We wont forget what you did” one which is no secret to anyone who has ever read SCD. There is some generally bizarre stuff that no one likely can identify. The pictures are interesting, but maybe that’s cause I am a visual person and have no idea to create those effects in PS.
My only reason for posting a comment?
I think this is not just an entertaining little diversion when you (either directly or complicitly) pick on someone’s creations simply becuase it may not be your cup of tea. It is just plain mean. I am speaking of the Shoes “Secret”. How is that a secret? I think everyone has a right to their own opinion, and someone having one is not a secret, but putting this kind of public trashing of another designer on the feeds is shameful. The fact that several of the SCD writers are also content creators makes this even more disturbing.
If you are legitimately reviwing something, that is one thing, but calling something crap and hiding behind anonymitiy is shallow and cowardly. The only secret I learned today is that I am not interested in the “SL Secrets” Post in the future.
~ Ketsy
Kets:
The rules for SLsecret are:
1.) Images must be 600×450 and under 2MB and must be a jpeg image (e.g. filename.jpg)
2.) Must concern Second Life or illustrating a secret using Second Life.
3.) It’s ok to be an asshole, but be a smart asshole.
4.) This is anonymous. Do not sign your name on your secrets.
All the secrets are uploaded anonymously at http://shoppingcartdisco.com/upload/ and anyone can make one.
So we have no idea who submitted what or for what reason. I’d hope that no one who works at SCD would make a mean secret, but I’d have no way of knowing who uploaded what secret. As far as I know, none of this batch of secrets were written by SCD writers. Feel free to make all the secrets you want, yourself, though!
The best thing about this batch, is that we can see what works, and what doesn’t, so that the next batch can be even better.
Aren’t they supposed to be the secrets of the person posting this? Because I don’t see how number 6 is a secret, and they use “we” for something I totally disagree on. Forgiveness is a GREAT thing, try it too sometimes.
Once again this place is using for bashing instead for constructing opinions or ideas. I will give you another try next week, maybe you will pick better.
It’s a whole strange and wonderful concept, I admit that I read Post Secrets every Sunday when the new ones come out. People have taken to leaving secrets in books, in strange places, etc, because of this website (and the books that resulted from it).
It’s really interesting to see what’s on people’s minds…
First of all I am a child av and I make children’s clothing. I see that you have some advertizement pictures of mine and are calling them slutty. These pictures are ads for Children’s jammies. The one is for babydoll jammies which many little girls wear in real life. You are taking that picture and using it out of context. The other one is an advertizement for child av shapes and skins. I had to put the avatar in undies in order to show what they looked like. Or do you think I should have left her nakie like they do the adult ads for skins and shapes. The face of the girl in there is a skin I made which is afro-American.Nothing more. I think you are taking this stuff out of context and using it for your own purposes. Showing that children avs are wrong. Us kid avs do nothing wrong but relive a childhood. Many of us have had horrible childhoods and would like to have a good one in here. Some just like to recapture the innocence and fun of those years. Those against child avs put us down and accuse us of awful things, when it’s not us who have all the sex toys and beds and poseballs that most of the adults in Sl have. So who is the pervert here?
The two avs of the girl in the bikini undies and the one with the girl with the big lips are not mine. So I can not comment on them. I am asking you kindly to please take my advertizements down. You are breaking the law by taking an advertizement that I made and posting it online and can be held accountable for that with SL and the legal system.
Second of all. I abhor anything to do with child sex, child molestation, age/sex roleplay, etc. Do not accuse peope you don’t know. This is very closed minded of you and also very unfair to the ones you do that to. You are being like a hitler telling people what they can do and can’t do in this game. I am very happy it’s not up to you to make the decisions for SL. I find in life that it is usually people with dirty minds that see dirtiness in the most innocent of things. Perhaps instead of wasting your time being mean and critical of others you should spend it trying to improve yourself and be more kind and contructive. All you are doing here is destructive, wrong and very mean.
dammit gillain i was number 11. but it was ment to be a picture of you not of (i didn’t know whom your bf is sorry????)
When I’m stalking you next ill make sure i have a more steady tripod
<3
*i didn’t write number 11 for anyone not getting the badly spelt sarcasiam
Marni
@ Marni – not Gillian
oh Snap!
Sonnet: Sorry, I didn’t make them and I won’t be taking them down. Obviously someone feels strongly about the stuff you make. Maybe you should meditate on that?
Just to let everyone know, I won’t be censuring these secrets. I feel that if someone feels strongly enough about something to devote the time to writing and illustrating it, it should be read. It may not always make sense (shoes? old drama?) or seem important to us, but it obviously was to them. I’ll be posting everything that comes in and abides by the posted rules, even (especially) if I don’t agree with it.
I’m assuming you’d want me to do the same for you if it was a secret you submitted.
Phoenix: Who’s your boytoy? I want his lip ring.
@ Iris – the lip ring is made by Fatal Raine – not sure if he still has a store in SL or not. I know he was planning on starting it up again.
That picture for #11 is also my photo, manipulated.
@Kalia – I 100% agree.
I love FW’s Postsecrets, and the various types of sites that have spunoff from his or were his inspiration. There’s plenty: found photographs, found scraps of papers, and lost posters are 3 I love also.
I’ve never had the balls to put in a secret on postsecret nor will I probably do one for SLsecret but I did do a weekly Secret (for myself) on Craigslist for a specific metropolitan area for many months before I was in Second Life and many people found it fascinating and beautiful (or so they said in emails to me and on replies).
Anywho, these random secrets are meant to be of random people uploaded. When Iris and Tenshi said they wanted to do something like this and could I help them set it up I agreed because I think it’s cathartic for some people to do this (it was for me when I did it on CL).
I am very sorry that people’s secrets hurt other people’s feelings
. Some things are better left unsaid.
<3
ok i dont think some of the commenters have SEEEEN post secret… go over right now look at postsecret.com
some of the secrets there are mean or hurtful or dont even appear to be secrets
but frank also edits them as in he doesnt post all of them (hell he COULDN’T)
also read the comments section if u are a member of live journal u can read comments on the secrets and ALOT of them sound very similar to what all of you have been saying
i personally also love post secret and though slsecret was a great idea
people take shit too personally
You stole these from my mind and I want them back!
Number 8 is a sick disturbance.
To quote Kesseret:
. Some things are better left unsaid.”
“I am very sorry that people’s secrets hurt other people’s feelings
I couldn’t agree more.
i love the idea of this, but this feels much more mean spirited than post secret. i think people should remember that in post secret, it’s not just the authors who get to remain anonymous – the people they mention on their postcards get to remain anonymous, also, no matter how awful their offense.
there is at least one up there that is CLEARLY about a specific person, and that just feels snarky to me, not artistic. and anyone should know it’s crap to steal someone else’s images, for any reason.
still, it’s a fun idea and maybe next week you’ll get a better crop to choose from.
I have been reading Postsecret for YEARS and I never saw one that was so against one person’s creative image.
All in all, after reading all the comments and talking with many people on SL, I think this was a bad experiment. Not just for me, but for others.
How is that person’s sister gonna feel? How many child AV’s are be shunned even more now?
The secrets on Postsecret are PERSONAL secrets. About YOU.
*shrug* it’s not my blog, so it’s not my decision.
I cringed when I saw Sonnet’s comments, can she not act like an adult and use grown up words? Jammies ffs, I have never used this word as a child or as an adult speaking to a child, in fact I have only heard the word used in SL by RPing adults.. Its people like her who make me wonder what the hell adults are doing playing at being a “child” avi. And she make kiddies clothes, well bully for her. What a sick old (2nd) world we have.
Otherwise, I really don’t like this forum at all, witch hunts are rarely accurate. It reeks of sensationalist weekend pulp press, and I’ve always thought SCD to be above that.
Oh I see that image # 14 has been snaffled…what was it again?
I have a Deja Vu: http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/03/17/my-second-life-secret/
Wow, modifying other people’s graphics to criticize their work, that’s a new low.
Perhaps a guideline about not using other people’s intellectual property without their permission is in order here?
dammit i have to read better……… idk even know why i typed that.
Pheonix that is a wee bit creepy it being your image i wonder if it was specificaly him or just a “hot boy” sl photo they wanted
Though I’m a little weirded out by one of the submissions in particular I think SLsecret is just as impactful as PostSecret. I think Lauren Nasu is most likely correct in mentioning that most of the early commenters have/had no idea what this concept was based on.
Someone’s secret is someone’s secret and you can’t devalue it because you don’t agree with it, see the point in it being expressed, or because it doesn’t jive with your own viewpoints. Someone feels strongly enough about it that they’ve expressed themselves in this way. Asking the administrators of this site to edit out the ones you don’t like is simply bullshit. An edited history is a warped and inaccurate portrayal of life.
To the designers whose work has been called into question by some of the SLsecret submissions: deal with it. Not everyone is going to praise you and love your work. Your products strike a nerve with at least these two people on some level and instead of bitching and whining, you should perhaps meditate on it. I should imagine that sonnet, considering the feelings towards child avs in general, would be aware of this. It’s not a new issue. These are honest portrayals of how people view your work and what seeing it causes them to think about. So, is this an opportunity or a threat?
To those who coordinated the SLsecret project: I hope slsecret.com is in the works.
Poo, mysecondlifesecret.com is removed!!!
er the blogspot blog. wtf typo.
Arabella
14 was the when you asked me if i was with her, I wasn’t just with her, I was fucking her…
or something like that, it was naked, which is probably why it’s not there anymore. PB sucks for that
How many of these are personal secrets vs. personal attacks. A poorly moderated subject is the same as condoning anonymous attacks on those unable to defend themselves. It is both misguided and sensationalist.
Allowing the use of pilfered images in the name of, “humor,” or secrets is to me…gosh…tantamount to condoning content theft. Do not the owners of the images hold the copyright to their own images?
It can be a fun idea, however, an idea that needs editing. You pride yourselves of getting to the bottom of things regarding SL misdeeds yet provide a perfect forum for those same misdeeds to be carried out and throw up your hands saying, “I will not edit any submission.”
Does that mean a content thief can advertise their ill gotten products on your blog because you do not edit or look to the intention of others. Hold yourselves to your own standards SCD before holding others feet to the fire.
Thanks for the really sweet and insightful comments!
But as to editing people’s secrets…nope…not gonna do it. Don’t have the time or the Big Brother in me.
I could put out a rule saying to use your own images, but I doubt anyone would stick to it and there’s no way I have time to search through the web looking for the images used on these. For all we know, the people making these DO own the images. But yah, it’d be the standup thing to ask someone before you use their pictures.
And if someone’s secret is that they can’t stand another person…well, let them make it. I don’t hear any of you upset that the secret I picked for #1 this week was an attack on SCD (because it is.) Someone suggested to me earlier that some sensationalist secrets may be made by the person they target so that person can get attention. I don’t really care, though. It’s sad, but, you know, I guess they’re sad people.
Trying to figure out a way to get number 14 back. Anyone feel like hosting that particular picture?
ETA: Kess will host it
This isn’t Tenshi’s project, it’s mine. And I won’t be sticking my hand over any of your mouths anytime soon to stop what you say. Don’t like it? Make a secret about it. I promise it’ll be put up.
Would these constitute under fair use as satire?
Not trying to defend, because believe me, somethings I believe are better left unsaid or used as constructive criticism if someone doesn’t like something.
I love seeing imagination and originality in Second Life and it’s sad just because it doesn’t have baked shadows it’s considered ‘crap’.
There’s 100 thousand regurgitated business in a box crap all over the grid and people are selling it- maybe that should be concentrated on.
oh god, before the drama starts, I was joking on the BIAB crap. I just thought that could be construed as something other than sarcasm. <3
“I don’t hear any of you upset that the secret I picked for #1 this week was an attack on SCD (because it is.)”
This is where interpertation becomes a slippery slope. I know the person in that photo, #1, and also know she would never use her own image in a post such as this. I, however, do know who would submit such an image that had NOTHING to do with SCD. This is a personal attack upon the person who is posted in the picture, not SCD. You see, it’s not all about you after all.
No one says to scour the Internet to confirm all right and wrong regarding someone’s individual submission, however, editorial discretion is the norm in all journalism, save tabloid, which this subject is quickly becoming, tabloid trash.
Personally, I believe you do not care about the accuracy of each post or the truth to any of the posts or secrets. I believe you do not do this as a forum for those who wish to, “confess,” regarding their SL secrets. I believe you wish for this to occur exactly as it has, to be a forum for the disgruntled to get in zingers to those they don’t have the ovaries to tell someone to their face of their personal displeasure. Refusing to use editorial discression or requesting that submissions be the valid property of the submitter would quash your sensationalist aspirations, so I understand. Your motive isn’t a forum for confession, but one that has become what it is, to revile those who do not have the opportunity to answer to an anonymous attack. This is about self promotion not SL secrets which is why you do not care about the truth or validity of any submission.
question cause i know shit about the theft stuff cause im not a creator
if i take a picture of what your selling (like in #10) isnt that image then mine?
hmmm maybe not cause if ur selling a texture i could take a picture of it and bam its mine
i dunno
content theft wizzes?
honestly i would feel kinda honored if people thought my stuff was good enough to hate it
i am not an sl creator but i am a potter in real life i had a piece stolen and everyone in my studio kept telling me to feel good that my piece was good enough that someone stole it LOL
i guess its alot different in SL
@Fortunate…we really shouldn’t string illogical thoughts together, come to an assumption and state it as a fact. How exactly would a content thief’s secret read……come buy my stolen product, but it’s a secret? All advertised on a site where legit designers congregate…
These are other ppls secrets…not ours….I for one am glad SCD is posting this stuff..unedited….I feel like some want to present this world as utopia where everyone plays nice and no one is mean or bitchy or lustful or perverted. It is going to be uncomfortable seeing the underside of SL.
I can understand the designer (and friends) of the citrus shoes getting upset that someone hates their shoes…but haven’t we all secretly felt that way at some point about some design? Well, someone felt strongly enough to secretly post their pet hate.
Welcome to the REAL Second Life. Thx for the experiment SCD!
@Fortunate: How do you know that the girl in #1 wasn’t used just because she fit the author’s mood? I’m not saying that’s the case, I’m just saying that it’s a possibility. That particular secret isn’t so much on the ‘confession’ as ‘aggression’ and I thought it was funny, so it’s at #1. I also thought it was attacking SCD, though.
And you’re right, I don’t care about the accuracy of the secrets. This isn’t a news post. Someone could post a secret saying that I’m, in reality, a sentient jar of almonds and it’d still go up even though it’s obviously not true. I’d think it was funny that someone was so obviously upset with me but not cowboy enough to say it to my face.
The point of this is to be a zeitgeist for SL. For people to feel free to anonymously submit what’s on their minds at any one time. As time goes on, I’m sure you’ll notice a pattern emerge in what people seem to be thinking or feeling. By documenting our own secrets, we’re documenting everyone’s SL. And sure, some people are going to be bitches. That’s a given. It’s up to the person they’re picking on whether or not they’re going to let it get to them because, remember, these people don’t have the guts to say it to the person’s face. By editing what is sent here I’d be basically undermining my own point; it’s not a collective unconscious if someone is picking and choosing the thoughts.
“How do you know that the girl in #1 wasn’t used just because she fit the author’s mood?” My point exactly. This was a personal attack (mood) by someone against the person pictured, manufactured to have her appear cold and calculating. I do know this as fact. It is agression…is that your point, your goal?
I believe in time you will see this as the can of worms that it truly is. You will find fewer and fewer posts regarding SL secrets and this particular forum become, “The Anonymous Personal Attack Zone.” Maybe this is your intention, maybe not, but it won’t be long until you find the eventual secret smattered among the attacks.
A public forum for detraction is sad indeed, Jerry Springer would be proud.
I think people who haven’t seen postsecret need to do that and those who think there aren’t mean spirted secretes in Post Secret need to go over and take another look.
There are all kinds of secrets, some seem empowering to put out there and others are things would be destructive if they were told, stuff about cheating on a person, or taking risky chances. Some of the secrets posted here that are getting complaints could have easily been posted on the actual Post Secret website. Esp the one about cheating.
Also when people are saying they recognize certain avatars, how can you be sure? It’s so easy to change appearance and look totally different.
These were the first secrets and maybe the types of secrets will change as it goes on.
As for pajamas being called “jammies” it might be a regional thing, I know that I’ve used that word both as an adult and as a child in Real Life.
“Also when people are saying they recognize certain avatars, how can you be sure? It’s so easy to change appearance and look totally different.”
Because I have that exact photograph given to me in my inventory.
So who has the head of Modavia burned at the stake other than a particularly well known photographer? I am curious to know the answer but I could believe her to do this as a cry for attention for her failing brand.
I think it’s funny that everyone has overlooked some of the amazing ones submitted:
Like #2, #3 and #4…. that are not only stunning images, but convey such a profound sentiment. #4 conveys feeling so well I can almost feel it simply by looking at the image.
#8 is a beautiful photograph but oh so disturbing.
#9 is a touching admission from someone who probably spends all day convincing herself/himself and others that she/he is so “over” it.
#12 is a huge secret to reveal – and one that’s conveyed so interestingly with the cheerful fonts and colors… but plays at something a bit more “shameful” by its use of the term “the other woman”.
This has the ability to be an amazing showcase of emotion and art if everyone can get over themselves long enough to let it be just that.
I have no idea who anyone in these picture are, so clearly I’m not connected enough to the fashionista community to get all of the perceived personal jabs. As a result, I’m not going to know and-or care that the top secret is related to SCD or anyone involved with SCD. It has to work without that hidden layer of knowledge, and it doesn’t.
The ‘secrets’ that are causing the kerfuffle aren’t really secrets at all for the most part. They’re opinions or (thinly disguised) criticisms of SL, and come across as more malicious than anything. If the staff at SCD expects this to work as something more than an opportunity to take a crack at someone or something, there needs to be some sort of editorial moderation. Not every secret makes it onto the original PostSecret. I’ve sent several, but only a couple have actually made it onto the Sunday blog.
That said, I really enjoyed both 4 and 8. I can really relate to the former, and the latter is both disturbing and funny. (And possibly disturbing because I find it funny.)
Iris, I’m just wondering, if someone were to take your ad and manipulate it and make it completely into something it’s not in the interest of completely bashing you, you’re ok with that?
I think it’s irresponsible to ignore the fact that people will be copying someone else’s images because people will do it anyway. You’re still upset (and rightly so) that someone stole your IP and put it up on SLX (or Onrez, don’t remember) for free. Do you only care about image theft and manipulation when it happens to you?
@Eolande: Actually, I am ok with it. I think I’d find it pretty funny. I’m aware that a lot of people wouldn’t and that’s cool, too. If Rowan asked me to take the secret down I would do it in a heartbeat, as it’s certainly the most directly bitchy secret in this batch. I think she handled it like a champ, though.
And as to the stolen IP that guy was selling of mine, I was more offended that someone stole something I made that was a.) pretty ugly and b.) was selling a freebie. If it would make everyone happy I’ll put ‘don’t steal people’s images’ on the rules page, but I’m not going to netnanny every entry.
Oh man.. now I have to send Iris some poop shoes too… :}
when life *bitchy people* gives you lemons.. make lemonade.. *poop shoes*
Better send a pair of those to yourself, Rowan, sweetcakes. We shouldn’t discriminate against those bitchy people, now should we?
@Rowan…. I’d buy them! LOL
Lord knows, suga britches, I embrace my fellow bitches. Honeystockings, if it wasn’t for this bitchy secret, my L balance wouldn’t be having such a fun. Long live the poop shoes! “Smoocherinos* Apple dumpling!
I think that would be a good compromise Iris – put up a rule to not abuse IP, and a disclaimer that you can’t netnanny all entries, and designers are welcome to ask to have their product photos taken down. I know I’d personally feel more comfortable. As it is I’m just watching this to see if someone bashes the hell out of my own product. (And yeah Rowan is taking it really well – the gal with the child av stuff didn’t at all.)
I haz a secret to upload… but first have to do some photoshop.
oh… but my secret is only about me
This is an intriguing idea and could be quite profound. In fact, some of the secrets shared were very moving. I know editing the secrets is not a viable option, but i am certain that if not now, soon, the number of submissions will be such that you can only show a portion of them. I would hope in that case that you would favor those secrets that are personal and disfavor the “secrets” that are merely opinions. The former is moving and powerful, the latter is not. It’s only power is the power to annoy.
lol, Ana… I think you just murdered the point of Post Secret.
Love it! I have to say that this went over better then I thought. Seriously. No tomato’s being thrown yet, so all good.
I hope SCD keeps it up and I also hope people learn to accept what this is. Which is secrets offered up by others because they don’t have the balls to say it directly themselves to the person they or themselves that are being shown in the secret.
I think no matter what SCD does, someone’s gonna bitch slap them and say “your doing it wrong.” I don’t blame them for not wanting to censor. The time it would take along with still pissing *someone* off just doesn’t make it worth it.
tt doesnt allow you to upload a secret. no matter what the file size, I see “Error: Only .jpg images under 1.5 MB are accepted for upload”
my secret image is only 96k!!
@MishyNaomi: Are you sure that your secret has the right dimensions (600×450) and is a JPEG image? If either of those requirements are not met it refuses to upload. If that’s the case and it still doesn’t work for you (which is weird, because some just came in a few seconds ago) just send it to me and I’ll manually upload it for you.
irisseale(at)gmail.com
People are over reacting. Personally kid avi’s are strange to me but I still respect their right to do what they please on SL (as long as it doesn’t break any laws or lead to it). So if someone decides to say so then don’t take it personally, just keep on doing what you like to do.
Yea those lime shoes are ugly to me and many many other SLers but there’s a market for almost everything here so someone will buy them. To the creator of the shoes, don’t think too much about it just keep doing what you do.
No matter what the image is you have no way of knowing if they’re talking about you. Could have just ripped it and used it symbolicly and nothing more.
I’ll be here every week reading these, I think it’s a great idea just hope that people will be more clever in how they post their secrets.