Obviously.
There’s a fun notecard going around.
Don’t let SL’s fashion industry suffer by supporting your favorite designers instead of exploiting them by paying 50L-60L for items.
By participating in groups that promote weekly 50L-60L sales, you:
- drive down the designer’s earnings thus discouraging from continuing with their work
- are left with an overall LOWER quality and less selection of fashion in SL
- will be left with the only other option, to buy from HIGHer-priced stores.
- drive the moderately priced designers out of SL fashion.
(These are the cream of the crop – trendy, direct contact with their clientele and offer well-made items.
Please think on your favorite designers and consider what price level they are at – it will make sense.)
- prompt others to start their own cheapie groups – you can already see other groups that have popped up with a similar concept and is growing rapidly.FACTS:
â— RL garment industries have drastically closed down in North America and Europe because of monster megastores producing in overseas sweatshops — 50L is 0.19 cents in USD (approx Dec.09 market value). Don’t let this happen to your favorite designers.
â— Most of these groups demand 50L-60L items to be placed exactly at the teleport point, thus not promoting the brand by encouraging the customer to walk around if not for a few meters to learn about the store. It also doesn’t help with traffic score.
â— Many of your designers use their SL earnings as a supplementary or sole RL income. Some with children, some with regular computer hardware upgrades to work on their inworld creations including expensive graphics programs, some with no medical insurance or benefits.. RL economy hurts them too.It is up to you shoppers and designers to decide if you want to promote ‘virtual sweatshops’ in your beloved SL fashion industry by:
- refusing to join these groups,
- refusing to offer 50L-60L products,
- refusing to purchase these productsPASS THIS NOTECARD ON TO OTHERS TO EDUCATE THEM ABOUT THESE FACTS.
I DON’T ⤠FRIDAYS.. OR WEEKENDS.. OR TUESDAYS, HUMP DAYS, RAINY DAYS, THURSDAYS… ETC.
I DON’T EXPLOIT CREATORS.
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So what is the problem with saving money? Also if these so called designers are living fully off of SL income maybe it is time for them to shut down the computer and look in their local classifieds for a job. Never rely on second life for profiteering. It is a way to let your family down.
Being a good sl designer IS a job.
Have you noticed a plethora of jobs in the local classifieds
lol
I have actually, also you can save your 50 cents (ZoMg you can save money) and look at the classifieds online from your local. I’m sure you can find graphic artist among them.
Try it out…instead of saying “Being a good sl designer IS a job.”
I don’t know where you live, but “graphic artist” has never been a listing in my local classifieds.
not in mine, either, and I’ve been looking for years.
Graphic Artist does appear on online job listings for most cities, but not all. There were sparse listings several years ago when I was searching for a job.
I knew an art director for a big movie studio and with all of his years of experience he had to hunt down jobs in different states. Jobs in the graphic art field are difficult to find, if at all. Last I heard he was working temporary. This is not an isolated example.
My guess is the majority of good designers in Second Life have run into the same problem finding a RL job. A big problem in Hollywood is age, no matter how good you are. Another problem is out sourcing of thousands of jobs several years ago from major studios.
Thus, my LOL at finding a job in the classifieds.
Did a graphic designer drop you on your head when you were a baby? You have an irrational bias against designers which is proven by your choice of the word profiteering to complain that some people actually have the gumption and skill to earn a living in SL.
It’s demonstrably false as profiteering refers to gaining excessive profits from items in short supply such as during war time or shortages due to drought and natural disaster.
Pixel fashions are anything but in short supply and SL profits are hardly excessive. I think your word choice betrays an irrational bias that would lead rational people to ignore your opinion.
It’s not like these creators are participating at virtual gunpoint, it is their choice to participate. That is what makes the world work, choices. For me, I would see it as an opportunity to try out some new to me shops and sample their work.
Those who try to shut down sales are clearly working their own agenda. The arguments presented in the “note card” are very slippery slope, you just can’t paint the fashion industry in SL with one brush. I wonder who the originator of the note card is. If they are so certain of their ideals, why be anonymous? Makes no sense.
~ Ketsy
Whoever is doing this is a shop owner and is using an alt to grief OMGWTF Barbeque’s group for 50L Fridays.
sorry have to say you devalued your own argument, to me at least, with your last quip in that chat.
What a preposterous notion. I’m going to assume this person makes crap that doesn’t sell, and has to find a reason for it. Couldn’t be her, could it?
I can’t say how many times I’ve purchased the L$50 item, only to go back and buy said item in other colors or styles. Or been so impressed with an item’s quality, gone back to buy more items. My Clawtooth folder is bulging. I loved the Miel item, so I bought even more of her jewelry. I’m not the only one. Oh, and I sent a note to Turnip Sorbet, thanking her for the L$50 Tea House, AFTER I went back to buy the full version. She was happy, and I was happy.
I’ve actually thought the concept was far more productive for designers than freebies, or hunts. If it’s what designers choose to add to their business model, good for them…good for us. I’d like to hear from designers as to how much money they make on a L$50 Friday on an item, compared to how much they make on that same item in a week. Frankly, I’d rather pay the 50 than get a freebie, because I strongly believe in supporting the designers.
These are sales…just like in real life. They don’t constitute sweatshops…what kind of dramatic BS is that?
I rarely get any sales on my own, but when 50 L Fri comes up, my 200 L$ sale of the last few days up’s to about a few 1000 L$ and not to mention many note cards from people looking to commission my profile artwork.
I infinitely owe OMGWTF Barbacue for what she’s done in terms of store awareness.
◠RL garment industries have drastically closed down in North America and Europe because of monster megastores producing in overseas sweatshops — 50L is 0.19 cents in USD (approx Dec.09 market value). Don’t let this happen to your favorite designers.
this is for one product, the person making the virtual product can reproduce at the cost of 0 unlimited
now if say a 1000 ppl visited and made a purchase of 50ls it amounts to a fair chunk of money and lets face it 99% of the designers who take part are of a very high quality and people shop there without the 50ls sale, maybe the designer is getting new customers and old customers are getting a treat, why turn it into such a negative event?
Alright. Here’s where I stand. My business has multiplied exponentially since 50L fridays. And it’s NOT just 50L items. Not at all! My traffic is steadily high now and I’m making a goodly amount EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. Sure, it’s more on the fridays I’m participating in the sale, but hey, who doesn’t love a good sale?
And it’s not just me that’s profiting. I’m on the same sim as MudHoney run by Rayvn Hynes, and she has a gorgeous mall between our stores. Every friday there are many people milling around the shops, and I’ve heard lots of great things from the designers there.
I also have a wing of my store with EmJay, /me, ADD Andel, Accessory Arsenal and Katat0nik. All of them are there FOR FREE because they’re all my friends and (except for kat who is awesome) pretty much just starting out. (or were when they first got their spot) I keep tabs on the designers, asking them every week how their sales are doing and I’ve only heard excellent things.
Let me address each of these in turn.
“By participating in groups that promote weekly 50L-60L sales, you:” …
“- drive down the designer’s earnings thus discouraging from continuing with their work”
Are you kidding me? Really? No. People still wander through my store and buy my regularly priced items. I’ve made enough this month to cash out and pay some of my bills and buy myself a few dinners.
“- are left with an overall LOWER quality and less selection of fashion in SL”
I don’t know if I can say this but… seriously, fuck off. If anything, 50L fridays inspires me and makes me work harder for all of you. My drive to impress you with my work has kicked into overdrive since joining FLF.
Just remember: Not EVERYTHING is going to be for EVERYONE. Just because it’s not YOUR THING doesn’t mean it’s not quality.
“- will be left with the only other option, to buy from HIGHer-priced stores.”
What? … No? How is that the logical conclusion? Have you ever taken a business course?
“- drive the moderately priced designers out of SL fashion.
(These are the cream of the crop – trendy, direct contact with their clientele and offer well-made items.
Please think on your favorite designers and consider what price level they are at – it will make sense.)”
Trendy, cream of the crop stores with well made items and direct contact with their clientele should already know how to do everything that they can to keep up in today’s industry. Keep up or get left behind. You’re not going to STOP shopping at your favourite stores because they’re moderately priced. This statement is bringing this note to a new moronic low.
“- prompt others to start their own cheapie groups – you can already see other groups that have popped up with a similar concept and is growing rapidly.”
There were NEVER CHEAPIE GROUPS BEFORE FLF. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. … /sarcasm. Yes, other groups have popped up. This will happen with ANYTHING that gets popular. Don’t even get me started on hunts here.
“FACTS:”
This deserves a statement in itself. You didn’t TALK to any of the designers in the FLF circuit. HOW DARE YOU state it as a fact when you DO NOT have both sides of the argument. FACT IS WEIGHED OUT AND PRESENTED IN AN ORGANIZED LOGICAL MANNER. This is OPINION. Fact’d.
“â— RL garment industries have drastically closed down in North America and Europe because of monster megastores producing in overseas sweatshops — 50L is 0.19 cents in USD (approx Dec.09 market value). Don’t let this happen to your favorite designers.”
I don’t outsource my textures to india. Can’t say as I know anyone who does. I’m not a megastore. I pay as much to promote and upload as the next guy. Sorry I got lucky and had the amazing chance to participate in this great event. This statement isn’t terribly relevant. NEXT.
“â— Most of these groups demand 50L-60L items to be placed exactly at the teleport point, thus not promoting the brand by encouraging the customer to walk around if not for a few meters to learn about the store. It also doesn’t help with traffic score.”
Please explain to me my nearly 20,000 traffic on black friday, then. Thanks. As I’ve said before. People shopping in my store. People shopping at my friend’s stores in my store. People shopping in the mall outside my store. You didn’t do ANY research, did you?
“â— Many of your designers use their SL earnings as a supplementary or sole RL income. Some with children, some with regular computer hardware upgrades to work on their inworld creations including expensive graphics programs, some with no medical insurance or benefits.. RL economy hurts them too.”
I’m an art student living off of fucking ramen noodles. After rent, phone, internet and electricity/gas bills I’m lucky if I have 16$ left. I GROCERY SHOP AT THE FUCKING DOLLAR STORE. Don’t you DARE. The economy is almost KILLING ME. I am doing EVERYTHING THAT I CAN to survive. ONE of these things IS FLF. Thanks to this just past Black friday, I was able to buy REAL FUCKING GROCERIES. SORRY.
“It is up to you shoppers and designers to decide if you want to promote ‘virtual sweatshops’ in your beloved SL fashion industry by:”
*takes a deep breath and tries not to scream* ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
sweatâ‹…shop
  /ˈswɛtˌʃɒp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [swet-shop]
–noun
a shop employing workers at low wages, for long hours, and under poor conditions.
WELCOME TO SL. I don’t know a fucking single designer that makes even minimum wage for the amount of hours we put in. We do it because it’s what we love. Our passion. Our life. If you can’t handle the heat, get the FUCK out of the kitchen!
“- refusing to join these groups,
- refusing to offer 50L-60L products,
- refusing to purchase these products”
Your choice. Honestly, better off without you and your spammy goddamn harassment.
“PASS THIS NOTECARD ON TO OTHERS TO EDUCATE THEM ABOUT THESE FACTS.
I DON’T ⤠FRIDAYS.. OR WEEKENDS.. OR TUESDAYS, HUMP DAYS, RAINY DAYS, THURSDAYS… ETC.
I DON’T EXPLOIT CREATORS.”
DON’T BE A FUCKING SHEEOPLE. (sheep-people)
NOT FACTS. OPINION
Oh god people no, don’t exploit me. Don’t drive me to do my best and give me money for it. No no no.
IN CLOSING:
Don’t be a fear-monger. Do your research, and for the LOVE OF GOD; THINK! Do NOT fall prey to the propaganda-like speaches of the disgruntled few. Work hard, be your best and keep up with the times. And don’t harass the designers. We have enough shit to deal with as it is.
Love, always.
-Airedine Poe.
This is my conversation with the notecard creator, fawn tigerfish.
– Instant message logging enabled –
[17:49] Wheathering Mode: SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
[17:50] Fawn Tigerfish‧: cheap
[17:50] Wheathering Mode‧: you are, apparently.
[17:53] NOT encrypted: [lets get drunk and talk about how cheap we are]
[17:53] NOT encrypted: [pff]
[17:53] Wheathering Mode‧: lolololololol.
[17:53] OTR Error: You sent encrypted data to Fawn Tigerfish, who wasn’t expecting it.
[17:53] Wheathering Mode‧: What the fuck is up your ass anyways?
[17:53] Fawn Tigerfish‧: for shame you are a designer
[17:53] Fawn Tigerfish‧: it is not right
[17:53] Wheathering Mode‧: How do you find 50l a bad thing?
[17:54] Fawn Tigerfish‧: it is causing many designers to lose sales because ppl only will buy 50L items now
[17:54] Wheathering Mode‧: LOL
[17:54] Wheathering Mode‧: are you serious?
[17:54] Fawn Tigerfish‧: ive seen too many close shop
[17:54] Fawn Tigerfish‧: yes of course im serious
[17:54] Wheathering Mode‧: MORE people come to peoples shops because of 50l.
[17:54] Fawn Tigerfish‧: no i sent 4000 notecards cuz im fking bored?
[17:54] Fawn Tigerfish‧: no they buy 50L and leave
[17:54] Wheathering Mode‧: They make a fuck more money by setting shit to 50l then not.
[17:54] Wheathering Mode‧: LOL
[17:54] Wheathering Mode‧: Maybe some people
[17:54] Wheathering Mode‧: but thats still a income they didnt have before.
[17:55] Wheathering Mode‧: People arent forced to set out 50l items.
[17:55] Fawn Tigerfish‧: yes they are
[17:55] Fawn Tigerfish‧: if everyone is
[17:55] Fawn Tigerfish‧: it is a gang mentality
[17:55] Wheathering Mode‧: Many fucking designers have told me that 50l is what makes them survive.
[17:55] Wheathering Mode‧: Bull shit.
[17:55] Wheathering Mode‧: Are you a designer?
[17:55] Fawn Tigerfish‧: yes
[17:55] Fawn Tigerfish‧: i am
[17:55] Wheathering Mode‧: What do you design?
[17:55] Fawn Tigerfish‧: hm pretty much everything
[17:55] Wheathering Mode‧: LOL
[17:55] Fawn Tigerfish‧: and thats all i will say at this point
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: Does your store suck?
[17:56] Fawn Tigerfish‧: except cars
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: I bet it oes.
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: Does*
[17:56] Fawn Tigerfish‧: hm nope it does well
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: LOL
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: You know why i doubt that?
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: Becuase honestly the only reason you would bitch is if your store sucks and doesnt make money.
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: So your fucking jealous.
[17:56] Fawn Tigerfish‧: a 25% in a sales dip does not mean i suck considering the overall sales i bring in
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: Have you ver participaed in 50l?
[17:56] Wheathering Mode‧: or been offered too?
[17:57] Fawn Tigerfish‧: with offers to participate
[17:57] Fawn Tigerfish‧: and i already knew what it was about
[17:57] Fawn Tigerfish‧: [resent] and i already knew what it was about
[17:57] Fawn Tigerfish‧: left and right random ppl creating groups
[17:57] Fawn Tigerfish‧: and tbh i got worried that it is spreading
[17:57] Fawn Tigerfish‧: read it for what its worth.
[17:58] Fawn Tigerfish‧: take what you like and im not jealous, its good to hear you are doing well.
[17:58] Wheathering Mode‧: Fawn.
[17:58] Wheathering Mode‧: You’re wrong.
[17:58] Wheathering Mode‧: And how dare you try to give it a bad name.
[17:58] Fawn Tigerfish‧: rofl
[17:58] Fawn Tigerfish‧: ok
[17:58] Wheathering Mode‧: Do you know how fucking hard barb worked to make 50l possible?
[17:58] Fawn Tigerfish‧: i can dare what i like. it is called free speech.
[17:58] Wheathering Mode‧: Your attempting to ruin her buissiness now.
[17:58] Wheathering Mode‧: And fuck no.
[17:58] Fawn Tigerfish‧: her business
[17:58] Fawn Tigerfish‧: how is it her business luv
[17:58] Wheathering Mode‧: Not when your joining her group
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: and telling her customersd that.
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: HEY GUESS WHAT FAWN
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: 50L FRIDAY
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: IS TRADEMARKED.
[17:59] Fawn Tigerfish‧: oh god youre annoying
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: LOL
[17:59] Fawn Tigerfish‧: i dont care
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: IM ANNOYING?!
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: How many fucking people have agreed with you?
[17:59] Fawn Tigerfish‧: i can get my ass trademarked if i paid 100 bucks
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: lets guess shall we.
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: 0
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: I WIN
[17:59] Fawn Tigerfish‧: ok youre obviously her little buddy
[17:59] Wheathering Mode‧: LOL
[17:59] Fawn Tigerfish‧: and actually ppl are IMing me asking questions
[18:00] Fawn Tigerfish‧: and interested in how its exploiting.
[18:00] Wheathering Mode‧: no, i actually didnt hear this from her.
[18:00] Fawn Tigerfish‧: so guess what.
[18:00] Wheathering Mode‧: yeah because tey thik you are full of shit.
[18:00] Wheathering Mode‧: lololol
[18:00] OTR Error: You sent an unreadable message. It has been resent.
[18:00] Fawn Tigerfish‧: youre annoying and uninteresting.
[18:00] Fawn Tigerfish‧: bye now.
[18:00] OTR Error: You sent an unreadable message. It has been resent.
[18:00] Wheathering Mode‧: no one is tying them up and saying fucking make 50l stuff.
[18:00] Wheathering Mode‧: people do it on their own.
[18:00] Wheathering Mode‧: Okay, leave. Becuase you know im right.
Fifty Linden What? BORING.
^_^
Save SL! Send your L$50 to ME! (i pwomise to use it for gewd stuff only)
How do I get in this thing?
Does anyone remember high school economics? Bueller? Bueller?
I remember a case study — museum needed to raise profits. They tried raising prices, but that resulted in a further decline in ticket sales.
So they dropped their prices. below what they were before the price increase. Ticket sales skyrocketed, and the museum made their target profit.
Lower price does not equal lower profit, if sales are increased. This is rather basic math.
Maybe it’s Horrid Littlebird again, after all she was an awesome designer
I like 50 Linden Fridays (both the event and the concept itself.) I make a pittance in SL (about $2/week) so I love sales and specially-priced items that make my Ls stretch even further. Plus, I’ve discovered tons of stores I wouldn’t have discovered otherwise, and I’ve gone back to spend even more Ls on regularly priced items. How is that bad?
Personally, I hate to see designers put in a ton of work for a freebie or hunt item only to end up frustrated at the freebiemongering and unappreciative people. The way I see it, at least with 50L Fridays, 60L Sundays, and 69L Hump Days, they’re making something for their efforts AND getting return business. They’re basically making effective “introductory items” since the low price is a budget-friendly way to introduce new people to their store, products, and level of quality.
Although I know some designers who have well-made 50L and cheaper items that don’t sell (they’re not involved in low-priced promotions) I know some people are more than pleased with how much they sell on Fridays/Wednesdays/Sundays. As for me, I’m more than happy to continue going broke on 50, 60, and 69L items.
I am sure I don’t represent everyone who shops these special merchant sales, but I wanted to tell a little transaction history of last Saturday.
A new “specially priced L$50 merchant group that runs on weekends” was launched. Their “theme” was the color red. Here’s what happened:
I went to a new-to-me store called BOOM and bought an awesome hoodie. I will go back again and buy more, because their clothes suit my style.
I tp’d into caLLie cLine’s store (a long-time favorite of mine), where I was delighted to be greeted personally by the creator herself, happily demonstrating her product to customers. I didn’t buy any of the items on L$50 special. Instead, I bought an outfit nearby for L$100 because I liked it best.
Then I went to a new-to-me store called Oubliette. It was offering a lovely L$50 Christmas necklace to match their earrings from the Peace on Earth hunt. I bought the necklace, got the hunt prize, and spent some time camming the store for other finds.
Next, I went to a new-to-me store called Beetlebones and hit the proverbial jackpot. Sure, I bought the L$50 furniture set. It was adorable! What else here is cute? OMG! The Boho necklace (L$120)! Must have matching bangle (L$60)! This Bubbly dress in champagne is to die (L$120)! Of course I need the shoes to match (L$175)! Oh, and they’re in a hunt, too! *picks up five freebies*
Finally, I make my way over to another new-to-me store called R2. They had boots! OMG! I luuuuuv boots! But the red/black boots offered for L$50 are not quite my style. What do I spy in the display a few meters away? The *same* boots in silver! Yummy! L$229 later, they were on my size 0 feet and I will be back for more styles another day.
Bottom line, I spent a wad of cash “saving” money, increased at least two stores’ traffic with my squeeing and hunting and camming, and discovered four new stores that I will go back to based on the quality of their items.
I just think it’d be nice if you didn’t have to fucking be invited to participate.
Some of us will never get a chance to promote ourselves without starting our own groups.
That sucks.
That is all.
Could you imagine the kinds of shops being promoted if it was open season for anyone? It would be a damn mess.
That’s OK. Anyone can advertise a 50L Friday sale on their own. It isn’t trademarked so they don’t own the concept.
It is also what happened with hunts. A few tried to control hunts via their cliques. Now there are more hunts than you can count. So they moved to 50L Fridays etc. Now that will be made common. So will the next idea and the next.
Hey it works just like real life!
“It isn’t trademarked so they don’t own the concept.”
Actually they do have some sort of copyright notice in the notecard or some such. i dont exactly recall what it says.
The problem isn’t sales. The problem is totally uncontrolled and escalating sales. There is a reason why in many European countries sales are strictly regulated so that they always happen at the same time and only in certain periods of the year.
Fifty linden fridays was a good idea at the beginning, but now they have escalated to a stage in which everyone wants his own similar event exactly like it happened with hunts, and there’s a “50 L friday” basically every day of the week. It’s come to a point in which severald designers, while not being held at gunpoint, feel that they HAVE to take part in the 50 L thing or in one of it’s several clones not to be left behind, exactly like people felt they HAD to put out a lucky chair, a midnight mania bord, or to participate in hunts not to be left behind when that exploded.
While the notecard brushes on the problem, it misses the real point. The point is that every initiative based on extremely low prices, when it escalates, takes the attention away from normal products and from quality.
Personally, I wish designers realized that it’s time to bring the attention back on quality and creativity, instead of on the “hey, we have cheapiez!”, which is the new “we have free!”
This doesn’t mean selling a gown for 3000, a suit for 1500, or a pair of shoes for 2000.
The ones that know me, also know how I giggle when i see absolutely overpriced stuff on the shelves.
Prices can be kept affordable, and many designers do that without needing to do special sales every week, or every day of the week.
Just my two cents.
PS: when the hunt fad occured, there already were a lot of people that were very vocal against it. The fact that no one really listened to them doesn’t mean they didn’t exist.
Hunts, which consisted of pretty much total freebies, came long before 50L fridays and daily sales, Shiryu – and were much more of a detriment to the SL economy, imho.
Gosh I so hate it when people say dumb stuff like this:
“So what is the problem with saving money? Also if these so called designers are living fully off of SL income maybe it is time for them to shut down the computer and look in their local classifieds for a job. Never rely on second life for profiteering. It is a way to let your family down”
What is the effin difference of working in sl or working irl. They are both freaking unstable. If anything I know quite a few creators who have found working in sl to be even more stable right now. Nothing is guaranteed, ask the thousands of people who are in the unemployment line right now. Any job can go like that, whether it be in sl or rl,so STFU and stop trying to look down on people making a living from sl. I love working in sl and I will ride this train like any other until it’s over.
To elaborate, It’d be already a bit better if all the 50L friday clones were made on friday as well.
At least there would be a big sale day in SL, but the market would be pretty much left alone for the rest of the week. Unfortunately the ones escalating this kind of promotional event are afraid to “compete” with the original, and are turning the market into a big “every day is a sale” discount outlet.
Personally, I don’t think it’s an healthy course of action, but I doubt many will listen.
Okay, so what you’re proposing… All sales on the same day – will push the vast majority of product movement to ONE day, Friday, and will kill the rest of the week.
How is your idea an improvement again?
Also, it seems to me that most 50L Friday content is new, fresh content and not old stuff simply put on sale… and there’s restrictions to the number of items that can be put on sale.
If you had come up with this idea and were making lots of money from it, would you stop doing it because it isn’t ‘a healthy course of action’?
Of course you wouldn’t, we see this all the time, RL stores are always competing with their prices.
The 50L/69L etc sales will likely eventually burn out because everyone is getting in on the act (which will be a shame), but that’s the way it goes when someone has a good idea, people want to copy, and you can’t stop this.
this is what is fabulous about ALL different ways to market…
YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT!
i have done 50L sales for the last 2 years on my own with my group. i’ve done 33, 44, 55, 66, 11 for 11 (cuz one day was the 11th and i thought it would be fun) heck i’ve even done 4, 44 for the 4th of july.
ok so big deal right? the FUN is i can do what i want and YOU can too!
i have enjoyed “sharing lists” with a few other designers for the last 2 years (a concept used in 50L where every promotes to their lists) and it’s always been GOOD.
there is NO reason anyone can’t make their own groups, and we ALL share the ability to use our blogs to promote our sales (i use my group mostly) but it is a level playing field.
and if there are 5 bazillion 50L or 10L sale days and that fad dies out, someone will come up with something else and so it goes.
the real beauty is in all this is we ALL have the SAME ability to do what WE want. i have participated in 50L fridays, and hunts, and private things, and other stuff and it find it all very interesting.
so… like any “sale” whether one you do on your own, do as a group, (like the quad used to do) or join a humpday or whatever, the fact is people DO like sales always have. that’s why every store in the world (RL) has sales. (ok not cartier, but they do send a “coupon” out once yearly for like 500 off, haha) but that’s retail, business, etc.
make up YOUR own, have fun, it’s YOUR sl… find good price points. 50L has always done well for me (as a price point) so has 99L and honestly one of the best ever was 25L items. (ok i shared a little secret!)
also shiryu, about your comment, if people are afraid, (which i don’t see why) that’s too bad. barb is a great lady and she is a merchant and knows the challenges we all face. i don’t think anyone should be afraid to do anything they want. i mean there is nothing “new” per say… and the “i was first” thing in a world like SL doesn’t go over too well.
a few friends of mine and i learned a long time ago that “more of us is smarter than one of us” and pooling our resources can be a wonderful thing.. AND if you come to the “table” saying, “what can i contribute” instead of “what am i gonna get” i personally think it’s a lot more fun and the karma is too
so, i know i went on long but i’d just encourage everyone to be excited and do fun things for your customers, cuz part of shopping is the FUN of it. we all know they don’t wear all they buy! lol (shhh don’t tell them that tho! THAT will put us all out of business!)
xoxo,
caLLie
If the creator of the notecard hasn’t even got the courage of his/her convictions to use their ‘real name’ rather than a faceless alt then I’m sorry, the argument has been lost before it’s even started.
I am getting a bit bored of people whining about what their competitors are doing, that THEY are the reason their SLbusiness is failing. Maybe the notecard maker should look closer to home for the reason for poor sales, quality and marketing – that is the key to a sucessful sl store
I would be interested to hear what’s happened to designers NOT in the special select few. I’ve been to 50L Friday almost every week and am pretty certain those people are raking it in at least on the Friday of the sale. (And who had heard of This Is A Fawn before all this started?)
Is it really hurting the sales of those not involved? Do people really feel that they have to participate in one of the knock-offs? Are consumers becoming less willing to drop more than 50L on an item? That’s what I would like to know before raging against the very idea.
It might be just me, but personally an economy governed by a law of the jungle in which everyone jumps onto everyone else’s shoulders (X does a sale? I need to do it too! A bigger sale! But of course X will then try to jump back on my shoulders afterwards -> escalation) isn’t my idea of “contributing”.
The “YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT!” is exactly what makes interesting initiatives escalate into a law of the jungle that ends up damaging the economy.
Everyone making their own sale to jump on everyone else’s shoulders is exactly the core of the problem.
When people will stop trying to undercut each other to desperately grab every bit of visibility, maybe the economy will pick up.
My way of contributing is busting my rear 10 hours a day to try and create quality items that I sell at very affordable prices.
Lately in SL it seems that the only way to do marketing would be to escalate more and more into sales, cheapos and giveaways. Well, there are other ways. Maybe it’s time to take a deep breath, a little step back, and rediscover them.
for shiryu: in your economy, everyone undercutting arugument. you just described capitalism. if you want to succeed in the business of offering products and services, you must compete. you cannot rely on making high quality items, without marketing, without competeing, and expect to make the same as someone who is competeing, who is marketing. no, this doesn’t mean you should attack other shops, other peoples ideas. alot of real life companies do do this, and i don’t agree with that. when i say competeing, i mean you have to stay on top of what people are doing, be creative, do something that will keep people interested in what you are doing. barb’s 50l friday event has done just that, it’s amazing marketing. i have gotten so many ims telling me how much people enjoy my work just from this event happening. still, you can’t rely on other people doing things for you, i do my own events.. limited items, sales etc. my point being, life isn’t fair, capitalism isn’t fair, making money isn’t fair. if you want something you have to go for it yourself, you can’t rely on others and you deffinately can’t sulk when someone else is doing well and you aren’t. it will just get you behind and will hurt only you in the end.
love, bru
Can you think of any better way to market and promote stores than to have sales/giveaways/BOGOF offers? I can’t! It’s a proven fact it works in RL and SL.
Which is why we need a BOGOF vendor.
@darkleyaeon: It doesn’t really take a failing business to be worried about the economy, you know? The “You’re complaining, therefore you must be failing” argument brought out in order to shut up differing opinions is a logical fallacy.
I didn’t bring it up to shut up anyones opinions, I am stating from my experience with whiners that they tend to blame everyone else for their problems.
I have to agree with the notecard writer about Wheathering Mode. You ARE annoying. You didn’t even attempt to have a civil conversation, instead you just started in being abrasive as all hell. Maybe if you didn’t try so hard to come across as a bitch you might be taken more seriously and it might help people see your point of view.
P.S. Learn the difference between “your” and “you’re”, because the last thing people need are an illiterate idiot championing their cause.
No Tenshi…this isnt an Alt..this is simply someone expressing an opinion and you simply using your shit website as a weapon to defend your friends…alot..and I mean ALOT of real designers feel this way..you are just way too incapsulated to realize it…but then again its you and its your SCD blog…its funny to everyone that takes design in Second Life serious what a trash mag you are…your hypocracy is only limited by the company you keep…and this “notecard going around” is way more popular than your blog post or your group or your friends.
haw haw!
50L friday boosts peoples sales and traffic.
My only complaint with 50L friday is their clause saying its licensed under the creative commons licensing. That is about as equally filled with misinformation as the notecard this hack is passing around. You can not license or copyright an event. 50L friday seems to be popular and I think its important for the owners of the group to kind of educate themselves on copyright/creative common laws and licensing to make sure no one else goes around and tries to license events under creative commons. I feel it sort of waters down the usefulness of such a license.
While the term “50l friday” can certainly be protected by the creators, and they should do whats within their power and legal limits to protect it in the event someone else attempts to use it, the event itself can not be protected. If another group of people wanted to sell items for 50L on fridays, they certainly can.
I actually saw someone try and start a “60L Saturday”. Pretty low blow if you ask me. But definitely legal.
Anyway, 50L friday seems to be pretty popular around a certain demographic of SL people, so good luck and congrats to the ones who started it.
Did you read only part of the note card sent out? It says at the bottom:
>>>Fifty Linden Fridays is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License…
(the text n stuff, guys. not the idea.)<<<
Barb clearly stated that the text itself (50 Linden Fridays/Fifty Linden Fridays) was licensed, not the event or the concept.
And there are (that I know of):
Beating the Monday Blues (50L items, I believe)
25 Linden Tuesdays
69 Linden Hump Days (Wednesdays)
and 60 Linden Sundays.
No one "tried" to start similar events. They actually did start similar events, and they're successful for at least some of those who participate. From what I am reading, Fawn Tigerfish's note card wasn't about just 50 Linden Fridays (though it does seem to be the most famous and unfortunately garners the most scrutiny) but about all sales promotions that have low-priced items set for sale on a certain day of the week.
Dear god *Hits head on desk*
Fact 1: I have nothing against 50L friday. Remember this while reading my responses. I would have came in here and said the same thing had it been any other organization.
Fact 2: I was nice in my initial response. You guys CHOSE to read it and become offended.
Fact 3: I have filed *many* requests for trademarks, I have never had one rejected. How many have you filed? And as someone who is incredibly knowledged in trademark and copyright law, I am telling you, the way it is written in the notecard causes readers to think, “Oh, the event is licensed under creative commons”.. Impossible. As someone running this event (Im assuming youre involved?), it should be a top priority to make sure customers/participants understand who you are, what you are, and the limits regarding any sort of reproduction.
Fact 4: When you are trying to be professional and legal, it is VERY important to be SPECIFIC. And if what is “licensed” is the text/ads, then you need to SPECIFY that. You claim this was done, but it was not. You even pasted what the notecard said, and nowhere does it mention that the TEXT written in it is what you are trying to protect. Just saying “50L fridays is licensed….” Is incredibly broad, and is also an event. In other words, the end of the notecard has just told the reader that the 50L friday event is licensed under the chosen Creative Commons clauses.
Fact 5: The 2 licenses chosen to be tacked into 50L friday work together to basically give somebody *no* rights regarding it. Which is the COMPLETE opposite of what the Creative Commons mission is. Creative commons is the complete opposite of a copyright; otherwise known as a “Copyleft”. Maybe she meant to say “The text written in this notecard remains the copyright of and may not be reprinted without written allowance by the copyright holder”
Fact 6: I was only trying to help, but if 50L friday wants to continue looking ignorant, okay
Nope, I’m not involved in FLF or the “clone days.” I’m merely a consumer.
I wasn’t offended by anything you said, so aim your “Dear God” frustration elsewhere. I merely attempted to clear something up. Ever so sorry.
It’s too early to read up, so I’m passing over the conversation just to add that I have been participating in 50L Friday for awhile now, and I participate every month. I have not lost any business, or suffered any sales – my group has grown, my sales have increased and I see purchases by new customers all of the time.
Yes, I do agree that the phenomenon will and has to a degree been abused and will probably be the death of itself eventually – but I don’t agree on the other points.
It’s still really just as simple as creating a quality product at a fair price and the people will come to you …any day of the week.
As a designer involved in 50L Fridays, I can say from my own experience, that this has def. boosted my stores sales. I always offer a great piece, collection, or launch a new item for my 50L item. It is great advertising for me, and I look at it as a special item for my customers, not a cheap money maker.
Since the start, my overall sales have increased. I get TONS of reg. priced sales from the people who come to check out my 50L item.. The reason the 50L items are set at the front of the store, is to make things easy for the customer. OBVIOUSLY they can see I offer more that this, and if they choose to shop for more they will.
That was the idea behind the concept, to offer a new or exclusive item for the day at a great value to our customers. People shopping the 50L sale ARE the shoppers of sl, and will buy things they like, if they are on sale or not.
The person who started 50L Fridays is ALWAYS being inventive and creative with her merchandise and her marketing. Congrats on your success and keep up the good job! Thanks Barb!
I will support 50L fridays and I will continue to provide my customers with quality content that I create to earn my living. Prehaps I could check my local classified ads to find a more stable or high paying job but I prefer the challenge of second life and I don’t have that expensive of a lifestyle(no family). I will continue to participate in not only my own sales but also special sale days that I am invited to. I will participate in hunts because I enjoy them. I know that when I participate in hunts it does not boost my sales, instead it bring people to my store who may not normally come. I enjoy the exposure and I enjoy the fun of the hunt. I’m sorry that some people feel these things are ruining second life but for me they are what make second life exciting and interesting.
I will always support 50L Friday. Always. Thanks to 50L Fridays in the lest 2 weeks I have spent around 5K or more in the stores involved. How about people who couldn’t design their way out of a goddamn paper bag, shut the fuck up about economics they clearly have no understanding about.
Since I joined 50L Friday I suffer. I lost all support from my customers and they exploit me by paying 50L for my items. My earnings drove down into the basement and I am totally discouraged from continuing with my work. I produce overall lower quality now and reduced the selection in my store. Many of my customers buy from higher priced stores now because I left them no other option. The people who bought my 50L Friday item drove the moderately priced stores next to me out of SL. They were my friends. I miss them. The store left to mine participates in 60L Sunday now. Soon there will be a 40L Thursday and then every day people will come to our sim. I so fear that day. I think the only way to survive is to find some guy from China who will texturize my stuff now.
The worst thing actually is that OMFG is so demanding. I had my item once 5 inches inside my doorway and she screamed at me until I logged out because I couldn’t take the pressure anymore. Since I have my 50L Friday vendor outside hardly anyone entered my shop anymore.
I used to pay my electricity bills with the money I earned in SL. But now … If I don’t log on anymore one day you know why.
I turned my SL into a living hell by joining this damned 50L Friday. I produce and produce and for what? For fucking 50L$!! Week after week after week. I wish I could quit, I wish someone would end this suffering … I am to weak already to get out on my own.
Please pass this message on so no other innocent soul will get trapped in this vicious circle.
Cyclic, while we know nothing about the ones that wrote the notecard, and they clearly don’t have much understanding about economics in general, not everyone that criticizes the escalation of sales, giveaways and 50 L clonedays “can’t design their way out of a goddamn paper bag” or “have no understanding about economics”.
I understand that you love 50 L fridays, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t offer criticism.
@ Shiryu – That notecard isn’t criticism. It’s a load of made up claptrap. A criticism would give logical, well thought out reasons behind the statements, and even, if they really wanted to help, have research done on the matter. Opinion is not the same thing as a criticism.
I love 50L Fridays and I really only buy things at sales. I have occasionally paid full price for items that are regularly lower cost and sometimes there are items I have to have and will pay more, but generally I won’t spend money unless there is a sale. So the big flaw in the notecard, and I would bet many share my opinion, is that the designers can either get 0L from me and others by never having sales or special priced items or have us come in every Friday, Saturday, Tuesday etc. and pay 50L, 69L etc..do the math..it’s easy.
I am personally offended that the creator of the notecard assumes I don’t work my ass off at my real life job and have money to pour in to a virtual world. Is this person saying I should spend $4 of my hard earned money on a pair of shoes or $2 for a sculpted jacket for instance instead of few cents? Guess what, I would rather NOT! I would rather feed my children and upgrade my computer instead of owning a pair of stilettos that my avatar can wear and no one else cares. I don’t have tons of disposable income so that fact I spend anything at all in SL should be appreciated.
Oh thats just silly!
Even thought iv stopped doing the 50l friday due to time and the Royal Blue is slightly dead atm. I used to have amazing sales when i joined in. I think one weekend i made over 50k and i large portion of that was my 50l friday item.
Also to anyone who says being and Sl designer isn’t a job, just because you feel you clearly have some sense of inflated self worth in world doesn’t mean you can rag on how other people choose to make a living.
Ignorance is no excuse for intolerance, i know a lot of people leading very comfortable lives due to SL.
@Winona: there are plenty designers that offer very affordable pieces of quality work regularly, without needing to do a sale to make their prices fair.
Personally, I don’t shop at places whose prices I deem unfair, sales or not. Now, if you think over 50 lindens is an unfair price for everything, that’s your opinion, and I respect it, even if I disagree.
Funny how free market economics only applies when the “seller” is making more and more, the second it changes they scream for handouts and protectionism. Boo feckin hoo, it’s just business, as they so long to say.
I’m going to make Shiryu hold my purse while I do my 50L shopping tomorrow…….
@Shiryu
Didn’t your momma ever tell you life isn’t fair? If life was fair we would all be happy and drama free. What you advocate sounds a bit too much like a socialist society. If you make things people want they will pay for it despite the fact other designers choose to have a cheap item once a week. I think what is fair is decided between the consumer and the creator and should not be governed by a greater power. It is the creator’s choice to put an item out for 50L and the buyers choice to buy it, that is the way it should be. If it hurts another store in the long run, well that is what we call competition. I can name plenty of stores right off the top of my head that are not concerned with 50L Fridays and have over priced items, but people still want their stuff and flock to the store to get it. Maybe the person/people behind the notecard have items that the general SL public find uninteresting and unworthy of the price tag.
I’m not surprised that someone is sending around a card complaining about 50L friday. This always happens when someone has a good idea. And the truth is – it’s a good marketing idea.
But really this makes me laugh, “It’s come to a point in which several designers, while not being held at gunpoint, feel that they HAVE to take part in the 50 L thing.”
Please let me know if you want to give up your spot, I’d be happy to have it.
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Don’t say anything about 50L Fridays on the Linden’s Commerce Blog. There will be a riot and demands made that designers must pay Linden Lab hundreds of dollars per year for a special license to set out loss leader promotional items (as are the 50L Friday things).
For those that think pricing anything low will “kill SL”: Anshe Chung’s 10Lindens thing in which she had her army of “content creators”, some of whom are quite good, create and sell nice things for L$10 to L$100 didn’t put a dent in the SL economy. But there was no shortage of people, including me, that were vocally concerned about it for a while. As ACS found out, pricing low like that all the time is pointless when everyone starts doing it.
As for the Friday only thing? Well some people don’t get to log in on Fridays. Guess there needs to be a “50L every day except Friday” Sale group set up.
The Creative Commons license is applied to the group charter, flyer and notecard text. Nothing else.
I thought that was pretty obvious.
Not when the clause begins with: “50L Friday is licensed under the creative commons…..”
Would be more obvious if it read, “The text contained within this notecard, any advertising and promotional material, along with the group charter for the 50L Friday group, is licensed under the creative commons….”
yes, you’re right. that’s much nicer, i’ll change it. thanks!
So it’s absolutely fine that I got I <3 50L Friday tattooed on my vagina?
Pics or it never happened.
I’ll see you in court, Zenovka.
pft…I can’t tell you how many times I’ve landed in a store for 50L Friday and completely skipped over the sale item for a full price item I REALLY liked.
SL has very few avenues to advertise and get your stuff out there, and sales are one of the best, especially when doing them as a group. So this person needs to figure out how to get more people in thier store because the “sale” concept in never going to go away. Sink or swim. Better start exercising them arms.
On another note Tenshi, pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaassssseeeee stop condoning people like Weathering by letting their comments go through. We may not agree with someone but that doesn’t give us a right to go harassing them in-world.
I didn’t find it obvious at all and from what I understand, a lot of people didn’t. I even asked about it. When no one could answer me, I contacted Creative Commons who had no knowledge of the license. Also, saying that you thought it was “pretty obvious” seems like you’re belittling anyone who didn’t find it obvious. Thanks for calling me stupid.
Ara – Nope, of course not. I think you’re reading too much into my response. I was merely stating that I thought it obvious. Turns out it was not. So I’ve taken the feedback and I’ve changed the wording.
No harm, no foul.
ok first of all: where do i sign up for 50L$ fridays? LOL cause i like that concept. I really do and love to join.
That being said, i DO find it annoying that soooo many humpdays…monday blues…thursday this, tuesday thats..are now coming. The danger is its getting TOO much, like the hunts and the freebie stories before. That’s spoiling the ORIGINAL concept, in my opinion.
Everyone CAN do what they want, and no designers will be held at gunpoint to join i assume LOL..just overload is destroying these things, as always.
I need sleep my brain is fried so i will comment more tomorrow <3
SySy, I think the reason that other people started their own version was because they were turned down when they asked to be in 50L Fri. At least that’s what I have overheard.
Well there is always the freebie announcement and next to it have related lower priced loss leaders that sort of yellow brick road to the rest of the store. The reason we have to go through all of this is because SL sucks when it comes to marketing methods.
Search? pfft. Works if your a linden alt.
Events? Sure. Paying models 10L hourly.
Classifieds? Only if you won the lottery and are just getting your schadenfreude kicks by screwing over the normal people. After all you have plenty more money to throw at pissing off barbies.
xstreet? lol. Not touching that funeral pyre of a topic for a while. But the thing to remember about that fiasco is the money follows the shoppers and they are still on xstreet regardless of who leaves.
Blogs? Well there is a necessity. The feeds are sort of like playboy magazine with the ever delicious gogo always the pinup model lol. (Not a complaint
)
We do what we have to I guess. The hunts are getting old though. See the issue with hunts is the number of people that stand around rezzing just to grab and go lags up the sim for those that want to shop. I.e.; why 50L Fridays is a good concept.
Magazines would be cool. Except every time I pay one I get fucked over in the end. And not that many people really look at them.
Now if I was billionaire just funning i’d put SL ads in NYLON irl hah hah!
The notecard doesn’t make sense. There are a lot of arguments in which I don’t find has a lot of sense and logic.
#1: “RL garment industries have drastically closed down in North America and Europe because of monster megastores producing in overseas sweatshops — 50L is 0.19 cents in USD (approx Dec.09 market value). Don’t let this happen to your favorite designers.”
Since when has SL turned into a sweatshop? The costs of creating items in SL and the conditions are not what would be considered “sweatshop”. You create something in a PC, you are underneath a roof, most likely you have decent lighting and a heater in your room if its cold–or if its too hot, you have air conditioning–Where’s the sweatshop in that?
What’s more, the difference between BIG CORPORATIONS and SL CREATORS is that one: PROFITS GO DIRECTLY TO THE SL DESIGNERS. Unlike RL, it is Walmart or a similar big company that takes the big percentage of the profit–it doesn’t necessarily give enough of the share of profits to the overseas factory operators and stuff. In fact they can pressure those overseas factories to lower down their production costs just so they can get BIGGER PROFITS without making the end product more expensive for the consumer. In SL, nobody is forced to create things for a cheap price, and if they want to create things and price them cheaper–they can because the profits belong solely to them as the creator and the seller.
#2 “Most of these groups demand 50L-60L items to be placed exactly at the teleport point, thus not promoting the brand by encouraging the customer to walk around if not for a few meters to learn about the store. It also doesn’t help with traffic score.”
I don’t want to be stereotyped into this group, as it is simply not true. For what its worth, if I see something cheap or on sale, and I see it looks great, my tendency is to be curious and look further into the store. If I see more items I like that aren’t on sale, if I still have the L$ I would go purchase them…heck, I’d purchase everything in the store if I really like the stuff!
But there are some people who are satisfied with buying the item on sale and it will be just that. That’s unfortunate–but take note, those things also happen in RL. As with RL, you can’t really predict people’s attitudes and everyone is different in reacting to something like 50L$ Fridays.
I buy things I would not usually buy at 50L Friday and similar events. I also buy things I would have bought anyway and loved it so much, I buy it again at full price in a different colour. I wouldn’t be surprised that the participating creators are *making* more money.
Also it is fun, isn’t SL supposed to be fun?
Sounds to me like someone is sour grapes because they wanted in on the act. :/
I don’t see any RL stores concerned that competitors might lose money because of their sales.
In business you aren’t there to look out for each other (unless you are linked in some way), you want to promote *your* business and make money, and it’s no different in SL.
Ridiculous. I’ve been participating in 50 L week since it’s start, and I’ve gotten more money, and more recognition of my art and eyes I make than I ever would of imagined by depending solely on my store to ‘randomly’ appear in search. Not to mention, I have found many amazing stores That I have since returned to many days after the 50 L Friday. It’s a handy tool to get people to step out of their comfort zone and introduce them to new stores they otherwise would of never heard of.
In my opinion, people jealous of things like this are simply ones who can’t actually get in such a circuit…
And as for 50 L Fridays only being for “popular” or awesome, super talented creators. Hell. No one’s been to my store when I was on circuit, because HELLLL I have the most boring things ever… all I sell is eyes, and few at that, my profile art and junk may be enjoyable to look at, but in terms of being a clothing store, good luck. XD
In response to a recent notecard being passed around about the negative impact of 50L Fridays and the culture of freebies in SL, I’m responding with factual data. This notecard contains two links to surveys, one is for designers/creators, and one is for consumers (designers may take both
) If you could take these surveys at your leisure, it would be really beneficial!
This data will be able to prove exactly how sales, the SL economy and events such as 50L Friday, truly affect the sales and profits of our beloved designers.
The data recieved will be published publically on Thurs 18th December, and hopefully will contain a broad and honest view of the facts surrounding this issue.
No personal data is collected from the survey and it is entirely anonymous.
Designer Survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/B2FQKVD
Consumer Survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BJ6J2FN
If you have any queries or concerns about the surveys or you just want to know more about it, please feel free to IM Cyclic Gearz inworld.
———-
Fill them in or don’t – I’m tired of claims of freebies and things depreciating the designers, when the facts will prove it as bunkum.
oh hell this all makes me afraid i have to admit.iam doing a low price sale thingy too and its sometimes eating me up.i had only and always offered high quality items and no trash for realy realy low prices. actually almost free. from what i experienced customer take it and dont give any feedback. not even a tiny thank you.it makes me realy sad because i dont feel anything comming back to me from my customers apart from a few lindens each, i feel drained and depressed.i actually wanna get out of the low price offers every week but i have to pay my bills from what i make in second life and iam afraid that people would stay away.i worked so hard all the past years to get where iam now. i make everything by myself, sculpties, textures ect and doing this was finally something in life that fullfiled me.if i cant survive after i stoped my low price offers every week i wouldnt know what to do
i think its a doom loop to stop things like 50L friday.sure, some people, including me come to the stores that offer 50L items and buy a different colour for the regular price aswell or something else in the store but the most people dont because they want to save money.cheap aos, cheap shoes, cheap this and that. actually the most want it all and best for free and its quiet natural that stores give them stuff for free, for 1L for 10 ect.they dont see the need to say thank you at all.so thats why its a doom loop. people get used to lower and lower prices and then the stores who actually have the normal and good prices that were acceptable all the past years become the bad expensive ones for them. if these stores then dont lower their prices they lose. maybe not in 1,2,3 months but over a longer time periode.
and i also red monolocks post and it realy made me sad. i wish i knew her/his name so we could work out something together.monolock can mail me srirachaspicysauce@yahoo.com thank you
duh
Here is the only drawback I see to 50L Fridays (and the others): BLOGGERS.
I know that sounds slightly insane, but here is my rationale. On Fridays, if I’ve got to go to work that day, I don’t get home until the evening. That means that I’m a little late on the jump, so to speak, to go and shop at 50L Fridays stores. However, by that time, I’ve seen exactly what 50L Friday items are being offered by some bloggers who ONLY blog those items on that day (often times, not even using their own images – just using the store owner’s images).
I’ll be honest. There may be a store or two on the 50L Fridays list that is new to me, but if I see an item being offered that I do not like (for whatever reason), I am MORE disinclined to go to that store than if I were to just hear about it on the blog. In essence, their 50L Friday offering… is negative advertising to me. Also, by seeing exactly what’s being offered on these blogs, I’m free to just go ONLY to the stores that have what I want. This means I’m NOT providing traffic to other stores. It’s this “sneak peek” that I think really hinders the more positive benefits of 50L Fridays (and Saturdays and whatever else copycat group sale they have going on).
In my opinion, bloggers might want to be respectful and maybe NOT blog their 50L Fridays acquisitions until the next day… Let people explore for themselves. Let them go from store to store and at LEAST provide traffic to see if what is being offered is something they might like. Otherwise, you’re putting horse blinders on ‘em and they’ll just go straight for what they want.
Did the world end yet?
if it did, nobody noticed because they were too busy tping around the 50L shops today
I’d like to take this moment to cry a river for all the designers bent out of shape by 50L Fridays. At the end of the day 50L Fridays is what it is. A BRILLIANT marketing strategy. This is what this group is doing to get people to their stores. Don’t be a piss ant because you are too lazy or didn’t put in enough thought to Market your store. These people bust their ass in all ways to get their store known via Flickr, Plurk, blogs and 50L Fridays to make their product known. If this makes you unhappy, how about you actually start putting in the foot work for your product. If you are and your product still isn’t selling then step it up and make your product better. As well times are tough in all worlds, and I find relief in being able to catch a sale item here and there. As well as many others have said, it has brought me to stores I may have not found on my own otherwise. As for whoever is attacking Tenshi for defending her friends on her blog… HELLO it’s her fucking blog she can do what she wants with it. That’s all I’ve got to say.
interesting dialogue.
This is dumb. You have people spending 50L that they probably wouldn’t have spent at stores they may not have shopped at previously. No one is forcing any creators to participate. I shopped at most of the stores that participated before 50 Fridays started and would often be the only person there. After it’s started I’ve seen more traffic in those stores on a regular basis.
Okei, I should be getting ready for work instead of writing this but I have to. This is bull. I just discovered 50L F. a few weeks ago and I have discovered some of my favorite stores which I do spend more than 50L in. Like Miel–okie I did discover that one before the 50L thing but, the others I am happy to have found. I even discovered stores NOT on the 50L F because I tend to explore the area the stores are on. And I keep each note for lm reference when I buy my allotted Linden allowance.
So. I call bull. But I have to go, I am sooo late!
Gday! Great idea, but might this truly do the job?
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