Huge Cache of Stolen Content
Posted on 26. Oct, 2009 by Tenshi Vielle in Gossip, Wall of Shame
The cache.
Stroker Serpentine alerted me to a very messy situation this evening involving a huge cache of stolen goods.
This particular cache of stolen goods was being passed around at Burning Life, supposedly by an avatar named Damen Hax. Each item is retaining the original creator name and information, but is transferable. Many items include a blank box beside it, which indicates use of an exploit.
I also contacted Concierge Live Chat immediately and they told me to file an AR. I told them I had. I also contacted a friendly Linden who forwarded the info on to the appropriate channels. It has been over four hours now and the item has not been blacklisted yet. So, I did not receive the expeditious treatment that Rebel Hope did. I tried my best. Maybe it’s the lawsuit, I don’t know.
What follows is sickening. I opened the box and found that it contained boxes inside boxes inside boxes. I began to document each box, it’s creators and the stolen items inside. I teleported Tenshi over to where I had began unpacking and she was also sick to her stomach. Here is a partial list of the copyable items I found by creator. I will have someone inventory them all at some point, but frankly I had to stop because it was so disheartening.
Akeyo animations inside of notecards, inside of a box, inside of a box.
I myself contacted a Linden or two but … these items, having the original creator on the name, still retain the original creator’s UUID for that particular item. Blacklisting is not really an option here. The Lindens I spoke with simply suggested AR’s, creating a paper trail.
Stiletto Moody, Armidi, ::69::, Akeyo, and many other creators were victimized.
There is also a partial list of content creators here that need to please come to Rebel Hope’s skybox at 4am SLT to identify their stolen goods. These items were passed to me, by Stroker, so that I could rez them and display them for those creators that need to come identify, AR, and DMCA as necessary. I’m not even sure at this point if a DMCA is possible. It’s not copybot. I do suggest bringing in a friend running the Emerald viewer so that you can view the last object owner before me. Rebel Hope and RH Engel, out of the generosity of their dear hearts, will have an area open from 4am SLT until 8pm SLT tomorrow for review. Creators need to contact Rebel Hope or RH Engel for access. Please drop them a notecard and they will get with you as soon as possible.
3FX (jasmine Godenot)
Blaze Nielson
TOM Burt
FNKY! (Funk Schnook)
CobraTech (BlckCobra Shika)
*Kabuki (Naku Nishi)
AQUALOVE Zen and Serenity (Luigi Dickens)
Raziel Foggarty Sexbeds
LA JAZZ (Jennifer Brennon)
::Bloodlines:: (Mars Bracken)
Zyngo (Aarggle Zymurgy)
Bojan Allen Sexbed
CM Designs (Corrin Maitland)
Ecclectic Randomness (Whinter Ventura)
Bits and Bobs (Craig Altman)
Ocean Lane
Damania (Demanios Thetan)
Lovebirds Paradise Furniture (Bird Lilliehook)
Shiny Things (Fallingwater Cellardoor)
Stiletto Moody
Midnight Lotus (Hasuko Kuramot)
Quantum Products (Darling Brody)
5ifth Order (Johnny Dusk)
AKEYO (artoo Magneto)
Arcane (Eyllen Allen)
MystiTool (Mystical Cookie)
Overlord Combat
Ce Cubic (mirari Jun)
BARTLETT & NIELSON (Belle Bartlett)
Vamporium (Trijin Bade)
Kowalski Erin
.::MADesigns (Maddox DuPont)
Sixty Nine (Kumii Yosikawa)
:sey (risey Arai)
Redgrave ()
SiniStyle (Krius Misfit)
SineWave (Easy Babcock)
VISTA Anims (Vista Barnes)
Henmations (Hendrik Schroeder)
Abranimations (Abramelin Wolfe)
!-Ce Cubic
Aridi (London Armidi)
@HOME (nightlife Overlord)
SOREAL (Kwarney Pinion)
Animation Wharehouse (Jonny Dusk)
[ hoorenbeek ] (Limer Kosten)
*Gritty Kitty (Noam Sprocket)
It’s possible that whomever did this was using the Neillife viewer.
Stroker has made a partial list of folks whose names are on the stolen boxes, i.e., possible people who have been involved in this theft:
Here are the names of the “suspects” that had attached hair to prims, prim clothing to prims, copybotted shoes, changed perms on items of mine that I KNOW were never released full perm…and whom have used the notecard exploit to send animations. And yes, the notecards d/l the anims right to your inventory. The list is growing, but here are what I have so far. Without exception they are all NPIOF.
Suspect Names:
Damen Hax (Original Container and *Kabuki) — PLEASE NOTE Damen says this is a box of his that was used, he was not actually INVOLVED in the theft.
Felipe5000 Ferarris (prim att’d to multi hair)
ItsMe Arun (SexGen, LA JAZZ, tnt)
BunnyMan Cryst (Notecards with anims of AKEYO, Sinewave, Vista, Henmations, Abranimations)
Zbornak Docherty (Shiny Things) PLEASE NOTE Zbornak says this is a box of hers that was used, she was not actually INVOLVED in the theft.
Ether Inventor (MystiTool, Overlord, Bloodlines)
KingGoon Topaz (Box of hair, Armidi, )
Slazenger Burt (prim att’d to !-Ce Cubic)
luaass Ragu (prim att’d to .::MADesigns hair)
kaik Krampf (prim att’d to :sey)
DoT Kupfer (prim att’d to SiniStyle)
chundas2 Xue (copybot SOREAL)
aGoodFella Mast (copybot hoorenbeek)
simpsons Nestle (prim att’d to AKEYO hats)
Leandrolelo Ferra (prim att’d to FNKY glasses)
This is the original box.
Content creators, please contact RH Engel or Rebel Hope to go identify your items. I’m very sorry to be the one to bring you this news, and I’m even more sorry that this is so many content creators that I have to post about it on SCD to gain every creator’s attention.
Arlene
Oct 27th, 2009
Something this flagrant and the Lindens won't act? That means there is no real hope for the Lindens to act at all.
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
I'm fairly sure the Lindens don't know what to do. We need to get together and provide them with problems, and possible solutions to those problems.
Damen Hax
Oct 27th, 2009
Creator of the Open Source ReSource, someone giving out free open source content(not just scripts) for years now, someone owning a good chunk of SL land, throwing it all away just to spread a box of freebies?.. Please tell me people are smarter than this.
Damen Hax
Monolock
Oct 27th, 2009
That's again a new quality of content theft, original creators still show up (same UUID) so the stuff cannot even be blacklisted (which LL obviously doesn't do anyways except once a year). That more or less means there is no way to get rid again of the stolen content. So we basically can give up. Everyone in SL has to know from the very beginning that (if one is successful) ones stuff will be available for free at some point.
mirai Jun (Ce Cubic effect) btw already has left SL (didn't log on since 6 months) out of frustration of being copied all the time, not only 'physically' (copyboted) but also 'content wise' (people stealing his ideas and re-building his designs).
Bard Quandry
Oct 27th, 2009
It is my belief Damen is being slandered. He is a friend and I can't see him doing what he is accused of. He is the owner of the open source resource so anyone with half a brain could have purposely or unintentionally put a bunch of freebies into one of his full perm boxes and implicated him. Paper trail? To what….a guy who has given away more of his own free scripts than most of you will ever own in all the items you will buy in your entire SL?
Mythridian
Oct 27th, 2009
Totally agree.
Sansarya
Oct 27th, 2009
You make a good point, Damen and Bard. I can't see someone who's invested a lot of time creating in SL even doing something like this. Framed? Sure, I'll buy that. Adds another layer to the depravity of this whole thing.
Baily
Oct 26th, 2009
Oh dear, seems the thieves are up skilling. It just keeps getting worse, I now have a personal rule never to accept free offers, no matter where it may be. Not if it’s just a random sending me a box of stuff.
Isadora FIddlesticks
Oct 27th, 2009
It's a sad world we live in nowadays when people do this. Makes you wonder what sort of people they are in RL…:((((((((((
Ann Otoole
Oct 27th, 2009
This is what the New York Times needs to be reporting on. Not virtual fashion. Actually the ideal date for such an expose of Looter Life would be November 4th.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
Entitlement Life
Sansarya
Oct 27th, 2009
Yeah, I'm adding the "no more accepting freebies except from the original creator" to my list of things to do to try to help. I also don't buy from anyone but the original creator, and I'm no longer participating in hunts in SL, either, unless I know the organizer.
Codie
Oct 27th, 2009
I see Zbornak's name on the suspect list, and i cannot believe she would do such a thing either. I believe this new version of NeilLife may possibly allows creator spoofing. Even more scary, it seems to be able to rip scripts too. So future copybot investigations will be a lot harder.
clara
Oct 31st, 2009
All custom viewers have those options its not only neillife but cryolife , vlife , thuglyfe, HXO ,Chocolatesl Onyx viewer and much more .They all have NC injection .This expliot has been around for years now it was reported why didnt SL do something ?
Neil just recently made his viewer but all those other viewers have been around for years .So stop whining about neil and open ur eyes for 1 time all these BS talks make me sick BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STEALING SINDS 2005 for all i know !!
To the person who posted this fake info YOU GOT MY FUCKING FRIEND BANNED OVER NOTHING KINGGOON DIDNT DO NOTHING AND IS NOW BANNED YOU CUNT ALL HIS MONEY GONE ALL HIS STUFF GONE THNX TO YOU !!!
So what do you think is going to happen now ?? ITS ONLY GOING TO GET WORST THNX TO YOU !!!
Cassia
Nov 1st, 2009
Zbornak!! WHAT! Zbornak has a very public SL profile, she's very active and Stroker should apologize to her just as he did to Damen! I remember that she used to manage a club and a mall with big name brands, she knows so many designers and omg I can't believe this at all. At all
Innula_Zenovka
Oct 27th, 2009
I only know Damen from the scripting groups, but I can't believe someone who's put so much in the way of resources and his time and expertise into helping people in SL would be involved in something like this.
Bobson
Oct 27th, 2009
I`ve known Zbornak for years now and i dont beleive she is involve in this, i think she is framed whoever did this is smart
Zbornak
Oct 27th, 2009
I've been told that it is possible that someone used a full perm object that I created to forge my name into those objects… I don't know how that works though… but I also had my account hacked into recently (I only found out when I got MAC banned without me doing anything, and I'm still waiting from a reply from Linden Labs)… so I guess anything is possible. I'm very upset to see my name associated with this kind of thing. Very, very upset.
I don't have anything from Shiny Things with full perms in my inventory, it's all no modify no transfer. so I have no idea how this kind of thing is possible, how my name is there, and how it got into those boxes. I'm crushed and if this is happening to me, you can believe it can happen to anybody. Other innocent people might be hurt.
Stroker
Oct 27th, 2009
I tend to agree that Damen wouldn't likely trash his SL presence. However, there are 2 boxes full of stolen content with his name on them. It has to be AR'd that way. Typically, these asshats use alts. Either way, lets hope LL does a THOROUGH investigation.
Monolock
Oct 27th, 2009
if they do an investigation at all. For me still the most disapointing thing is not the stolen content (like in rl the illegal copies) but the fact that the 'authorities' (in this case LL) just don't help/protect us. This 'helplessness' is the devastating thing.
And now a new layer comes in that prims by other people can be ripped and edited and boxed again. So a wave false accusations will brake lose now. The witch-hunt is officially opened, nobody is safe anymore.
Monolock
Oct 27th, 2009
*used as a box to box other stuff, I meant.
Marshall
Oct 27th, 2009
Last i heard forging a creator is possible, but only if u have one of his/hers prims, and the prim is full perm.
Monolock
Oct 27th, 2009
just rip a prim out of his product/shop which now still contains his/her name as creator … full perm after ripping, simple as that
unknown
Oct 27th, 2009
yea and im gonan do that
Prokofy Neva
Oct 27th, 2009
A fitting coda to the nihilism that is Burning Life, and the 1,000-plus post monster thread on opensource that Blondin closed today. No accident, comrade.
I wonder if this will galvanize the Lindens to go forward boldly with their new program to register and curb the third-party viewers. These people put up a HUGE fuss on the forums when asked to register and show their code to the Lindens (gasp, what a horror in an "open" source program! lol) but despite all their screaming about technical impossibilities due to the analog hole blah blah, whitelisting and showing one's good-faith efforts not to destroy the economy would help consumer confidence.
Tenshi and all those other girls who so fan Emerald Life in the Concierge need to follow the DNA trail between Emerald and all these other viewers, and not be so dazzled by all their fabulous features not to ask whether they help create the climate of impunity, and whether in fact they are responsible directly, before, during, and after Emerald's development, for these rogue viewers — especially given that key Emerald devs are all so new with 30-60 accounts only. Who were they before and why are some of them missing from the People list?
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
I don't fan Emerald in Concierge. I've never participated in a Concierge. Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Prokofy Neva
Oct 29th, 2009
So you just fan Emerald *outside* of Concierge. My original sentence construction here was intended to speak of your fanning of Emerald on this blog, one, and two, the fanning by various girls in Conciege of Emerald. These are all connected to the enabling climate for theft, whether you can pin these slipper Emerald devs down *now this minute* with actually development or use or exploitation of viewers or features that do steal.
Eff Mons
Oct 27th, 2009
Wow you really have no problem defaming people and spreading slander about them with absolutely no merit, do you? It must feel so liberating to not have an OUNCE of integrity and just shoot shit from the hip like you do so well, Prokofy.
Things you say about people have an effect, sweetpea. Not sure if you realize that or not.
Prokofy Neva
Oct 29th, 2009
Er, what sort of effect do they have, dollface? The people I've raised questions about come and crash my sims and kill my chickens? That's special.
I'm asking the right questions about the Emerald devs, they are there to be asked by connecting all the dots. Connect them and stop being dummies.
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
Guys, it's important to take this as another step and not be knocked down by this. We need to get together with the Lindens and help each other out if at all possible. Lord knows I'm not a large fan of LL policy sometimes, but it's still policy and any ideas or suggestions you have are welcome at the Artist's Voice group, as mentioned in my previous post here – http://shoppingcartdisco.com/?p=5459
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
Guys, it's important to take this as another step and not be knocked down by this. We need to get together with the Lindens and help each other out if at all possible. Lord knows I'm not a large fan of LL policy sometimes, but it's still policy and any ideas or suggestions you have are welcome at the Artist's Voice group, as mentioned in my previous post here – http://shoppingcartdisco.com/?p=5459
Zbornak
Oct 27th, 2009
I just talked to Stroker Serpentine who showed me a snapshot that pictures a box that has me listed as the creator. That Box is full perm and apparently it has full permed Shiny things Stuff in it (that do NOT have me as the creator. I don't create many things, but to people who buy my stuff on Xstreet I give out full perm freebies sometimes (like mexican sombrero hats) Apparently anyone could just use one of my full perm boxes to save all that stolen stuff in them!!! This is outrageous!! Worse than I thought! All people need is one full perm prim with your name on it to do this kind of damage to a person! You people should accuse anyone before you know to what extent things can be manipulated and spoofed and before LL gives you a specific list of people who were truly involved in this!!!!
Zbornak
Oct 27th, 2009
shouldn't* accuse
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
This is a sad, sad day for SL. How many more talented content creators will be forced to leave before LL take any action?
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
Also LL knew about the notecard exploit for months when a popular third party viewer could be easily modified with a few lines of code to enable it.
Stroker
Oct 27th, 2009
As I stated earlier. I am not ACCUSING anyone here, I am merely documenting this horric disregard for content creators. It's entirely possible to change anything about an object or it's permissions. I am convinced of that now.
Here are hi-rez pics on my Flickr site. Please don't start a witch hunt
This is for LL to deal with. I wanted to show just how bad it has become.
Thieves Motherload – a set on Flickr
clara
Nov 1st, 2009
We know your not ACCUSING you just report innocent people !
My friend got banned for nothing 1 1/2 years gone all items gone can he contact you for some kind of compensation? I dont think so you dont care neither do i care about your shit .
As you all know these guys forged creators on several items so how do you know who is guilty and who is not ?
I hope you burn in HELL for getting people banned over nothing .
You may have enough L$ but not everyone so its not so easy to get all those items back .
Stroker
Oct 27th, 2009
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51358983@N00/sets/72...
unknown
Oct 27th, 2009
Stroker …. of all the people in sl u got that BOX.. it makes me wonder .. it mite be taht ur looking for publicity .. or u mite be that ur the scamer ur self … hmmmm
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
Aluminum hats are available in aisle 6.
Polero
Oct 27th, 2009
Ah, I see the hard-of-thinking are paying us a visit again. Seems they type with their nose, too.
LordGregGreg
Oct 27th, 2009
I have known Damen Hax for a while but would never think that he would go as far as to do this to content creators. I am a content creator myself and I known for a while he does use neillife. Yet, he says he is not guilty, I have chat logs of him saying he uses neillife client. If you want I can post the pictures.
Damen Hax
Oct 27th, 2009
Unreal, I'd never have thought you to talk absolute rubbish. I've never seen or used the neillife viewer & have never told a single soul that I have, not even as a joke.
The only interaction I've ever had with LordGregGreg was regarding how his PAR plugins fail (aside from some floating text item) & people in my groups were asking me for solutions.. to save his time I asked him myself, at which point he tells me to use emerald client instead as PAR is no longer continuing the project.. Which i then conveyed onto many others.. which i said i would do. The introduction of your BS about some client that's never touched any of my computers.. leaves me no choice but to know more about you & your goals, your methodology & intent for the open source community.
LordG is a core developer in the emerald client team, if this is the type of person that has say in their team.. fabricating to get what you want.. I will be recommending to anyone that asks.. it is no longer trusted; regardless of how many are in the team. Lapse of memory is not acceptable.
word
Oct 27th, 2009
i realy think u should hide the names and let LL decide the verdict , i mean who gives u the right to post names whan as u say they mite be forged???
3blahs1whatever
Oct 27th, 2009
"And let LL decide the verdict" are you kidding me? This is so far out of LLs hands , they cant grab it. LL would probably ban innocent people. I do think the post should be edited though to say that the damen hax dude listed may be innocent cus i bet a bunch of people ran off and banned the guy.
Ive never heard of open source resource so cant chime in but he seems to have people backing him up and he seems to have given a lot to the community. Just know its very possible these days to be framed and set up.
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
The post is being updated as I get information. Please re-read the post and make notation of the changes.
Innula_Zenovka
Oct 31st, 2009
Stroker has now updated his post on SL Universe to apologize to Damen and say that he's come to the conclusion Damen was framed. See http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discu...
Might be an idea to update the main story here?
Reacher Rau
Oct 27th, 2009
Scripts cannot be "ripped". They are unlike textures, primitives and similar attributes whose properties need to be sent to the viewer in order to be rendered (seen).
Quoting Jim Radford, one of the current core libopenmetaverse developers–
“Neither script source or binary scripts are accessible to others unless the permissions set on the script in question allow it (this is a simulator
restriction, the data simply is not available to clients)''
Guest
Oct 27th, 2009
Anyone who knows Damen *at all* couldn't believe that he'd do something this silly.
lordgreggreg
Oct 27th, 2009
Prof, you are funny! Jcool aka alias turbo made emerald what it is today. Even though, I do not like the fact he did make illigal viewers like vlife. I do work with a few people like Cryogenic Blitz"cryolife", Chalice"PSL",Skillz"gemni",Phox"onyx". That doesn't mean I am a bad person. I just work with top viewer creators.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
Who ever made these stolen goods has basically signed the death warrant for third party SL viewers.
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
I think I agree. I wish 3rd Party viewers had to go through some kind of check before they could go out. OnRez was a very good viewer and LL didn't seem to mind it.
Baily
Oct 27th, 2009
Not blaming anyone but naming names in public sure as hell is pointing the finger isnt it. Lucky a few swtiched on people realised the poor guy was likely NOT guilty!
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
Judging by the list of ripped brands, it looks as if the person behind the crime has been in SL for a few years. Some of the brands are only really known by oldbies.
3blahs1whatever
Oct 27th, 2009
Oh, it is VERY possible to set someone up. Very. Happened to a friend of mine. Thieves can now pretty much make anyone they want list as creator.
Someone mentioned they could exploit an innocent person like this "If you had a full perm object". Well, the truth is, they can basically turn any object of yours full perm. So nothing is safe. Be careful who you accuse and ban these days.
Easy to spot a real thief by these 3 points:
a. blank profile
b. trolling profile
c. brazilian profile
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
d. gangsta profile
e. txt spk profile
3blahs1whatever
Oct 27th, 2009
LMAO! I was going to add "d. ghetto profile" but figured that one might step on some toes here.
Praetorian
Oct 27th, 2009
I agree with word…sounds to me like anyone could make it look like someone else did the deed. And we all know how nasty people can be. It's not right nor is it logical to be defaming people who are mere mooks for others vengence.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
but would be stupid to cross them off as suspects
elohssa
Oct 27th, 2009
ok damen and friends stolen sl content but now how about stroker he got all item full perm too… lol
OMG
Oct 27th, 2009
Okkk, i see my banned alt`s name there. And no i didn`t get banned cuz of copybot , I got my ban for grieffing . So don`t get wierd thoughts, this clearly shows that this is all someones "hard" work. It night be even Stroker , I don`t know the dude be he sure looks like he is looking to be famous.
Anyways i don`t like posting names of people, but, I sure hope he gets what he deserves if he is behind this.
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
I've been perusing a few places last night and it seems to me these kids aren't all that bright – some of the "hacks" they want to do just aren't on the up and up. Like how to make your avatar invisible.
These other things they're doing, though, are horrendous.
lordgreggreg
Oct 27th, 2009
hey just a heads up. that above comment was NOT me. (lordgreggreg back)
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
LordGregGreg, for future reference, if you want to reply to a comment please press "Reply" on the individual comment. It will then thread your comment below the one you want to respond to.
Sansarya
Oct 27th, 2009
Was it your intern?
Carol
Oct 27th, 2009
Just using neillife doesn't make you a thief. I know people who just want to back up their stuff and do not participate in any illicit activities by using that client.
Don't start a witch hunt? This is nothing BUT a witch hunt, and you both started it. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I don't think Damen Hax had anything to do with this at all
CyclicGearz
Oct 27th, 2009
There are more trusted viewers than Neillife to use for backing up content – Anyone using Neillife or Cryolife to backup anything should be aware of how many stores they will be autobanned from.
Carol
Oct 27th, 2009
and certainly not Zbornak Docherty
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
Also, this is the registered LordGregGreg over at Intensedebate. I would assume that comments shown are the only comments he himself has made, please keep that in mind, all of you.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/lordgreggreg
scd
Oct 27th, 2009
Also note that I have updated the other comments to make them easier to differentiate from the actual LGG comments.
lordgreggreg
Oct 27th, 2009
sorry, i just wanted that to be in the direct line of sight for people who didn't click the replys button. will do next time, thanks for the lightning fast response.
lordgreggreg
Oct 27th, 2009
i have no idea who it was.
resplond
Oct 27th, 2009
Damen Hax is AWFULLY close to DamenHax Abbot UUID: e0c46301-1d42-4c36-bfa1-7f13ef091af1 which is well known retard and he keeps his head inside Neil's (creator of neillife viewer) ass.
You might know him as MrPoenta from youtube. Frankly i dont think he is smart enough for anything besides posting videos on youtuybe, but on the other hand i dont think neil is better anywya, so they prolly using well known exploit for injecting shit on notecards…
So LordGregGreg, not only hes using Neillife, he is also using his private version which is pretty much undetectable Cryolife. You can see video from youtube of him using it…
Also another name mentioned in that video is ItsMe Arun UUID: d2a11f6c-3ce3-49ca-9141-58a37e8956ad so you should keep an eye on that one as well…
Mach Volitant
Oct 27th, 2009
Could the OP please be edited so that the accusatory language and list of AVs after the sentence “Stroker has made a partial list of folks whose names are on the stolen boxes, i.e., possible people who have been involved in this theft:”
be removed? It’s not helping anyone throwing more accusations around, especially as this is damaging relations with Linden Labs and a number of avatars that have been falsly accused of theft.
I completely sympathise with all creators who have had their work stolen, but making ungrounded allegations is just as harmful to individuals and SL in general. The repercussions of these allegations is causing a huge and detrimental knock on effect, which is helping no-one.
Eff Mons
Oct 27th, 2009
I kind of agree with a previous commenter about naming names so early in the game. People are innocent until proven guilty, but the rumor mill is never so just. Just by posting these names before verdicts have been reached can cause a lot of harm to their reputations and cause them a lot of grief. This is fine if they are guilty, but we can't know that so early in the game.
If not leaving the names off entirely, I think it would be important to include a very bold disclaimer about the degree to which the accused are being accused. Protecting innocent names is, IMO, just as important as protecting creator content.
Zbornak
Oct 27th, 2009
Thank you for your comments and support.
Whatever happens, I feel that my name is soiled, tainted. I IMed the creator of Shiny Things and informed her that I had nothing to do with her stolen content, that I'm ashamed to be associated with this, and that I hope LL clears my name somehow. I just hope no one else gets wrongfully accused, because that alone is a sentence by itself. This may sound very cheesy, but I invested a lot on SL – time, money, emotion, and this situation is upsetting me very, very much.
Lizzie Lexington
Oct 27th, 2009
Hugs Zbo – you have a lot of friends here in SL and we know your character. Please don't let this get you down.
Zbornak
Oct 27th, 2009
Thank you kindly, Lizzie
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Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
guilty until proven innocent
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
Haha, I bet you that most of those suspects are posting as alts in this thread.
If you look up some of those guys, they are known trouble makers in SL.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
But seriously, if you have nothing better to do with your life than stealing content and giving it away in SL, getting together with your buddies and laughing behind everyone's backs while you plead each other's innocence, then maybe you should get a real life job or find something useful to do with your life.
ThinkBeforeUtalk
Oct 27th, 2009
I`m sure mr.Stroker is aware that he can be people may file law suites against him for ruining their reputatuion. I know i would. If i know my name is clear. So he should get his lawyers ready.
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Oct 27th, 2009
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Menno Ophelia
Oct 27th, 2009
Everytime i see a post like this, it just really makes me so sad.
The people spend all there time and creativity in it, and people just don't realise how this really hurts your creativity & motivation to even be in sl.
C'mon LL..(/hope on)
3blahs1whatever
Oct 27th, 2009
I used to get sad and angry. Im emotionless now. Numb to it all. LL isnt on our side.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
It is hurting real people who aren't rich from creating in SL who make as much as someone who sells homemade beaded necklaces at a local market stall.
The thieves are stealing from honest hardworking people, and they are the type of people who would also steal from market stalls in real life too.
Dale Innis
Oct 27th, 2009
Were all the objects in notecards? If so, this is probably a massive exploitation of the objects-in-notecards bug that there was a mandatory 1.23 upgrade to fix, the other week. No need for any third-party viewer to have been involved; even the normal Linden viewer could be easily modified to remove the client-side check that normally prevents the exploit. (Another example of why security has to be server-side wherever possible.)
scd
Oct 28th, 2009
No, not all objects were in notecards. Only animations, as stated in the post.
StellaWasTaken
Oct 27th, 2009
I don't want anyone to be blamed for something they didn't do but this "oh he has _____ invested in SL so obviously he didn't do it" isn't a viable explanation for why he wouldn't do it. People pass free stuff around all the time and not all of them are your run of the mill scum bags.
When I was shown the exploit the Emerald viewer wasn't created yet it had nothing to do with a certain viewer because the prim box cheat worked on LLs regular viewer.
Kat_Alderson
Oct 27th, 2009
It's rather disgusting to see the term witch hunt used in reference to this post.
Point: The author did not say any of these people are thieves, she said they are SUSPECT. The term suspect alone suggests that further investigation is required.
Point: Listing the names of the original creators of the boxes allows people to be on the lookout for these boxes, and to be on the lookout for more boxes of material bearing these names with items by other content creators inside. Again, more to the investigation side of things.
Suggestion: Try reading what is written, and not reading into it before you post a reply.
Eff Mons
Oct 27th, 2009
Please don't be so naive as to think, whether proven guilty or not, that the label of "suspect" is a completely neutral connotation in the minds of the mob. Were it your name up there, I doubt you'd be riding up on that same high horse.
Kat_Alderson
Oct 27th, 2009
Eff, it seems to me people disparaging the information provided are the real mob.
And were my name up there, I would contact Linden Labs and see if they could help me prove that it wasn't me who ripped that content, and would, in fact, do everything in my power to try and get that stuff removed.
But, then again, I am posting here as my SL avatar, which is searchable in world. I don't have anything to hide.
Eff Mons
Oct 28th, 2009
It would be great – and RARE, I might add – if LL would help you keep your name clear. What if you owned a store? How much business would you lose in the wake between the accusation and the clearing of your name? How much business would you still lose after your name was cleared simply because your name was associated with content theft to begin with? Whatever the innocent people on this list face in the future because their names were named could have been prevented had the suspected not been revealed or had the author emphasized their assumed innocence.
It's really not necessary to throw these ad homs in with your comment? I have something to hide, you're suggesting? I guess such an accusation particularly fits with what you're arguing. It's a shame, really. No, I don't have anything to hide. I've just experienced first-hand in the past how the buzzing of hiveminds can keep lies breathing well past their prime and continue to haunt the innocent person for a long time.
And please explain to me how the few people trying to emphasize the importance of "innocent until proven guilty" and protecting the reputation of innocent people here are a "real mob".
Kat_Alderson
Oct 28th, 2009
Eff, I do own a store, two in fact. And a sim. And yes, I have given these questions consideration. I'm grateful not to appear on either list. But the fact of the matter is, if my name did get associated with content theft despite my innocence, I would want it out there for me to dispute. Because I have nothing to hide.
You seem a bit sensitive. You may have nothing to hide, but since you are posting anonymously, you are, indeed, hiding your SL identity. Whatever your reasons, it does weaken your position.
There are no lies being told in the subject post. It is factual, and you reading more into it than there is, is totally on you. Despite the nomenclature you argue, there are no lies. I asked for access to this merchandise and saw for myself.
And if you cannot see that disparaging the author of the post for bringing to light all of the available facts of the case is mob mentality, no explanation in the world will convince you. This blog is not a court of law, and is not being used as one. It is being used as a reporting tool. Nothing more.
Eff Mons
Oct 28th, 2009
You continue to miss the point entirely. The innocent people on this list have nothing to hide either. THAT ALONE IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH to keep people from associating their name with content theft.
Again, please stop trying to dig into me personally simply because I care about innocent people being defamed. This is the name I've been posting with on here for a few weeks and I can link you to when I've used it prior to this article if it will set your mind at ease. If you have to make personal digs at me to make a point, maybe you should consider whether your point is a weak one. That's usually what ad hom off-topic shots point to in a debate.
It will be a lie, though, when the innocent names on the list are associated with content theft even after their name is cleared. Like I said, i'm not so naive as to think that when someone is accused of something as serious as content theft, that when their innocence is proven it will clear their name completely to everyone. I know how people can be.
I, quite frankly, don't understand your attitude. How dare I suggest that innocent people not be made ot suffer because of the insensitive manner with which this article was presented! How dare I not want a person who has not committed content theft have their name listed next to people who have!
This blog is not a court of law, but there is a certain amount of responsibility one must recognize when making accusations like this and naming names like this article does. This article is irresponsible.
Kat_Alderson
Oct 28th, 2009
Eff,
I am missing no point, I simply don't agree with you.
What I stated about your anonymity is the truth, and nothing more. You are hiding your SL identity. Anonymity does serve to weaken some of your points. That you've been posting anonymously for a few weeks does not change the fact that you are posting anonymously. If you take this as a personal attack, you're reading too much into it.
Previously, you asked specifically about how I might feel if I owned a store and was listed in this article as having my name associated with stolen content. I answered truthfully. You didn't get the answer you wanted – I get that. I can live with it, too.
Since only facts have been stated in the subject blog post, these people have not been accused. A fact of the matter is that this post allows them to step up. Another fact is that their names were already associated with content theft because their names appear on boxes with stolen content in them – full disclosure on all sides is the only way to fix that.
You suggest that some people in the article's list are innocent while others are not. Which are which? It would be helpful if you could shed some light on this matter – as long as you provide facts.
Lastly, no accusations have been made in the article. Facts have been stated. If you evaluate the article critically, you will see that. However, a critical evaluation will require you to set aside your outrage.
Naturally, content theft is a volatile issue. The base outrage should stem from the fact that every single designer listed here has had their intellectually property rights violated. If this were not true, we would not be debating.
Conversely, no one has been slandered or libeled.
Monolock
Oct 28th, 2009
“Rumor has it that Kat Anderson built her sim with stuff from a full-perm box that was given to her to safe money. Also she uses copyright protected textures as base for her designs.”
It’s that simple, now try to ‘clear your name’.
Kat_Alderson
Oct 29th, 2009
Monolock, a simple inspection of my sim would lay to rest the rumor you just started. Nice try.
And for the record, it is Alderson, not Anderson.
Jori Watler
Oct 29th, 2009
Seriously Monolock? For someone who has SO much to say, about EVERYTHING posted here – and yet you hide your identity – priceless.
I know Kat, I know her well – and I know the character of this woman, which someone like you – could not even muster if it was handed to you – so please, do yourself a favor, have a cup of stfu.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 27th, 2009
the funny thing about thieves is that when they are caught red-handed they will present you a myriad of excuses:
'I'm innocent'
'my rl boyfriend stole them'
'my account was hacked'
'I was framed'
'I didn't know they were stolen'
See, these people are pathological liars who think they can manipulate others with their lies.
Rogue
Oct 27th, 2009
pleeaaase I passed things that were given to me before … don't start saying that if you got a bunch of full perm akeyo dances you wouldn't use them and/or give them to your friends, cause that's just a bunch of bull. Most people if not all people wouldn't just delete them or refuse to use them. that just doesn't happen
half of SL will have to be banned/accused as well, if some of the people accused here go down
Bull
Oct 27th, 2009
You don't feel any guilt at all do you? – Listen: giving away the stuff and thus helping to spread it doesn't make you ANY better than the one ripping it in the first place. The only difference is that you don't have the skills or guts to be the first, you do it because you think its safe to 'hide' among others that did it before, coward. How about declining and educating whoever hands it out?
Polero
Oct 27th, 2009
Don't try to justify your low moral standards by assuming that everyone is similarly corrupt. Many people – myself included – would NEVER pass on content they suspected to be stolen, and would indeed delete it. This is called being honest. Try it sometime.
Bull
Oct 27th, 2009
Well, educating might be hard for you cause it takes skills and guts too, maybe just tell you don't like to support theft.
Kat_Alderson
Oct 27th, 2009
Rogue, just because you have no conscience doesn't mean others don't. And just because some would do exactly what you doesn't make them right.
3blahs1whatever
Oct 28th, 2009
@ Rogue. Sure, a lot of people would enjoy the items and pass them around. This is why i have begun banning people who freely enjoy content they know was stolen
Dont put everybody in your group of low moral standards. I echo what Bull said. People who enjoy and pass around stolen content KNOWING its stolen, are as guilty as the initial culprits.
My ban list is growing each day
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 28th, 2009
take heed people, this is a good example of the type of person we are dealing with. Someone who has no moral conscience and no respect for other people, possibly unemployed and useless in real life and also has a high sense of entitlement. Please ban trash like this from your land.
Sileny
Oct 28th, 2009
I have received stolen content more times than I care to remember. Is it painful, in a small way, to delete all the beautiful hair and skin? Yes. Do I delete it faster that you can say ripped? Yes. Because the little bit of "aww, sucky" that gets caused by having to delete the great free goods is no match for the pain I feel for the designer who got their hard work and art stolen.
Anyone who knowingly receives stolen goods and doesn't delete should be ashamed.
Bliss Windlow
Oct 27th, 2009
I still think it would be effective to have an official published list of names providing:
1. The accused.
2. The accuser
3. Status (processing, banned, cleared, etc)
THAT way you accomplish several things:
1. It is apparant who has been ID'd (and alias's should be linked)
2. The accuser is named and people who abuse the system become apparant.
3. The general population has facts instead of rumors.
4. Names are identified as CLEARED when they are.
5. It allows us to hold Linden accountable.
skulls
Oct 27th, 2009
Just a headsup: "NOT lordgreggreg" is obviosuly neil, the retarded little kid who created neillife. he makes the same typos as on his griefer blog. http://neillife-lol.blogspot.com/2009/10/today-da... If you can, please do something about him. LL apparently does not care, even though he is not only actively exploiting the permission system to this sick degree and encouraging it, but is violating Linden Lab's and Emerald's copyright, by ignoring the viewer licensing, not releasing his sourcecode and even selling his viewer.
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Oct 27th, 2009
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WTG LL
Oct 27th, 2009
All of this is LL's fault by allowing anyone and everyone to make account after account afteaccount with no verification. It's too bad they want Quantity over Quality. I see people everyday while I am out and about bragging how they just made another account or bragging because they got banned and made another account to grief on. If ya don't believe me, visit Ahern or Waterhead or most other 'Welcome' areas and observe.
WTG LL
Oct 27th, 2009
All of this is LL's fault by allowing anyone and everyone to make account after account afteaccount with no verification. It's too bad they want Quantity over Quality. I see people everyday while I am out and about bragging how they just made another account or bragging because they got banned and made another account to grief on. If ya don't believe me, visit Ahern or Waterhead or most other 'Welcome' areas and observe.
3blahs1whatever
Oct 28th, 2009
Exactly, WTG. This is why the new "Content creation roadmap" is coming. Because LL would rather leave accounts open, free, and limitless, then to put some restrictions in place. With the new roadmap, LL hand selects an elitist group of people who they will protect under their wings, while leaving registration opened to ensure they continue to get those high player numbers while t hose not chosen get fucked by thievery. The high registration numbers LL boasts are really nothing more than thieves, bots, and people who tried the game once and hated it.
Wrenja
Oct 27th, 2009
I've witnessed all kinds of griefing attacks where names were spoofed in the prims. It actually happened to the Love/Hate HQ a few months ago. The person who's names were on the prims had no clue what was going on, or why we were so angry with him. The next day there was the left overs of an attack on another sim that i saw, and the profile of the 'prim creator' liked playing SL with her sister and being a family
its hard to know who to believe, and what to trust anymore.
daphnie
Oct 28th, 2009
WITH REGARD TO DAMEN HAX
I have known Damen for over a year. I can gaurantee you that he would never do anything that has been suggested here. Infact he sufferes from theft of his creations. I have personally found his items stolen and being resold on many occasions.
He gives an enoumous amount of scripts and items away for free. I will be perfectly honest Im sure he could create anything in that box in a very short time from scratch.
He is one of the nicest and honest creators in SL.
My name is Daphnie Vlodovic and feel free to contact me at anytime.
One man I can promise you is innocent of any wrong here.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 28th, 2009
Daphnie Vlodovic? For some reason you are on my ban list?
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 28th, 2009
Just found out that because the copied objects have full perms, the scripts inside them can also be accessed and therefore edited and copied too.
Innula_Zenovka
Oct 28th, 2009
Can't offhand find the exact reference, but I'd thought Stroker said somewhere over in the SLUniverse thread that the items were full perms in inventory but reverted to their intended permissions when rezzed.
Do you say that some of the items have actually had their perms changed permanently?
As I understand it, this makes a very big difference in figuring out how the exploit was done, so it can be prevented in future.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 28th, 2009
Yes, he is right as long as the item is in inventory of an object when rezzed it remains full perms.
StephanieMisfit
Oct 28th, 2009
The two different exploits that were used to change the permissions of the objects in question have since been closed – one a couple of weeks ago, the other earlier in the year. LL knew of these exploits for quite some time before closing them. One of the exploits did not even require modifications to the client – you could do it through the menu of any viewer, including the official one. The functionality was built right in.
John Ferri
Oct 28th, 2009
Are you refering to rezing 2 objects, one perm and one that you want to make it look like perm. Then go to tools->save to inventory. Someone told me about that one. Yeah LL knows of several bugs it looks like it. And they seem to look the other direction, if someone abuses it. The problem is that more griefers are being created because all it takes to create an LL account is pretty much nothing. Some sites do not even require you to put the right email.
skulls
Oct 28th, 2009
it's neillife.
John Ferri
Oct 28th, 2009
http://neillife-lol.blogspot.com/2009/10/thank-yo...
This dude claims he is innocient and other people have the ability to perm spoof. Oh well, atleast he posted several unknown bugs, I laughed at him when he called it neil jira.
John Ferri
Oct 28th, 2009
in that link that John Ferri posted, he claims he was innocient. He also posted a list of bugs all dealing with content theft for LL to fix, but is appears that LL doesn't care about that too.
This is a direct quote from the neillife blog
""""anims- LL has a bad ability of stuffing .anim and other animation in the cache. One hack is to directly upload it from there. For anyone creating viewers if you look at llappsviewer.cpp you can prevent LL from removing the file extension from the cache prior to log out. Some viewers also have the ability to directly convert it to bvh file.
Texture rip-> stored in cache too, file->save texture as(also in the normal viewer)(raw texture download). llFLoateravatartextures.cpp(also provided by LL if you check their source files, which basically allows texture ripping, if modding the .xml files, you can enable this option without coding). There is another set of freeuploading of texture which no one uses on the llfloaterreporter.cpp(raw texture uploading).
John Ferri
Oct 28th, 2009
sound rip-> stored as .dsf files in your cache but one can easily mod it to .wav. And can be ripped easily.
guesture rip-> fails by permission system, any anim and sound can be dropped in there regardless of permissions. Just like clothing rip you can do guesture rip
notecard system-> they fixxed perming wise. Not fixxed( people can mod no mod notecards but permissions are the same). There are still plent of bugs involved with notecards. Here is a tip of LL, in your server do not show text of a notecard if there is no permission(otherwise you enable other exploits).
creator ids can still be forced(but LL has the ability to check last owner and orig_creator_id)which I found out when using an xfer trick but since its dead I do not mind mentioning it( I mentioned it to a few already not sure if they told people too).
any sound or anim can be played by key (one of ur loop holes)"""
John Ferri
Oct 28th, 2009
can someone please fix these bugs LL has so we can get to our normal lives. Even I was hit badly. I make animations in secondlife and all my animations were getting full permed and passed out. I want to see these bugs dead. So people please report the bugs.
John Ferri
Oct 28th, 2009
if not, I am quitting making items in sl.
I was told by a friend if LL didn't let people access asset ids none of this would happen. Like going llSetTexture("some key here",1); we can use other textures that we do not own on prims. I literally say no more asset ids in this game. Whose with me?
John
Oct 28th, 2009
Here's the even more amazing thing to me. As a world-wide developer of heavy mission critical database systems, it seems to me that LL could have simply fixed the hole that allows this piracy in the first place.
Granted, sometimes it's a bit more complex if third party sus-systems are in play. But the amount of time these copy scripts have been around make me question LL's resolve.
Longer term, it makes me question SL's ability to weather future competition.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 28th, 2009
and meanwhile, M Linden is still wondering why SL is not attracting the Fortune 500 companies.
Ronni
Oct 28th, 2009
Someone wanna remind me why making the Sl code opensource was such a great idea in first place ughhhhhhhhhhhh
Craig Altman
Oct 28th, 2009
Its reasonable to assume that any of the "creators" of these prims or notecards have infact been "framed", by default any notecard sent to anyone is full perms, I have had my own used in notecard spam machines and found myself accused of being a spammer when I have no idea what the people are talking about, every time I have seen this exploit used on my items(many times now), the prims containing them have been any full perm prim these people can get hold of, one even used a prim with a Linden as creator, I think it would be wise to remove the "suspects" list you have on this site,
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Prokofy Neva
Oct 29th, 2009
I seem to have been put on "moderation".
The reason copyright theft so thrives in Second Life is because of the rampages of opensource viewers and reverse engineers. And only if you allow free discussion of their antics and their crimes can you curb this theft. If you shut up the critics and allow all the sordid little fanboyz to have their way in controlling the discourse on this, you create more enabling climates for theft. All of these things are connected. It is impossible in fact to stop crime when you do not have a free press. That freedom includes the ability to make hypotheses and make allegations, even if wrong, that can be deliberated and debated freely in free public debate.
Jori Watler
Oct 30th, 2009
Prok, your "conspiracy theory", is one that you beat to death – and has NO validity – it's not the 3rd party viewer creators with the issues, they are doing what LL has wanted – to create and work on valid and usable solutions, as the "Lab" honestly cannot whip it's own ass out of a paper bag. Please note code is OPEN – and there for USE –
The Lab has allowed this to happen – and have taken a "hands off" approach – while spending the time on countless rolling restarts, fixing "high level security leak at backend" with no explanations – and stepping into the "Marketing/Promotion" arenas – they've not cared, and the track record shows they've done the AR/DMCA crap – and it's fruitless – allowing more and more issues to arrive – So your generalization, is totally off the mark.
While you are so quick to stepup on the soapbox, and shout foul – you need to understand that your blinders need to be lifted and proper knowledge of a statement needs to have a leg to stand on, before you can claim superiority.
***** Editing to add –
The content creators are tired of supporting LL – without creations, and the drive for the almighty L$, the Lab would not be here, and surely not making what they do off of transactions/uploads/selling & buying of currency, and their service charges – and the creators cannot get SOME protection. Like wearing a raincoat in the shower – your feet still get wet.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 29th, 2009
It usually turns out its the most UNCREATIVE people who steal. Anyone who has put their passion into creating an item can empathize with another who was a victim of theft.
The beauty of Second Life is that everyone has an opportunity to experience creating something, and that is why unlike in real life, there is more sympathy and support for those whose work got stolen.
One of my real life acquaintances, doesn't have a creative bone in his body. He works for one of the big finance companies – make BIG MONEY doing very little. He has NEVER spent a PENNY in Second Life. Most of the stuff he wears is stolen, given to him by thieves and he passes it on.
Why is it always the creative ones suffer? SL WAS the perfect society for creative people to make a living. Instead there are those who want the creative ones to be flipping burgers.
It is quite obvious that those who support stolen content don't support the artists.
Sileny
Oct 30th, 2009
I love you. Maybe I am PMSing or something and all emotional but this made me tear up a bit. Artists always get the short end of the stick and it is nice to see someone who recognizes that.
Clara
Oct 29th, 2009
This is all the PN fault they found a new expliot proxy that can do anything you want .N3X15 help to create this proxy wich is being sold for 50.000L$__All the names you listed here are nothing but bull shit anyone can be framed with such tools .__
Prokofy Neva
Oct 29th, 2009
Oh don't be ridiculous,
You folks are *awfully* resistant to just reading the open, public record on all the various websites of these devs and reading their own admissions of making viewers that violate copyright. Their new accounts, their strenuous protestations that Emerald doesn't violate copyright, all of those point to a history, and a history that matters, and indicates they cannot be trusted.
See here for how it has all been documented and put together:
http://blog.vrhacks.net/?p=154
Slinden
Oct 30th, 2009
I'm so sick about hearing about content creators and their wonderful works. I created content in SL. Big deal. You can go to any site on the web and rip off all the content, the site, and whatever else you desire if you are a thief. It's always been that way. Yet for some mysterious reason, the content generated in SL is supposed to be protected. And all the wonderful little minions need "Lindens" protection.
The whole setup makes me sick. And people and their "prize" builds and virtual possessions make me even sicker.
Slinden
Oct 30th, 2009
And something else, Linden has been cracked for a long time and they know it. I've personally found things in my inventory that someone has altered names, perms etc.. on. I've had people that put themselves on my friends list just to tell me they cracked an opensim server. I've seen clients with all the buttons greyed out and inoperable.
Just a few years ago Linden was cracked and credit cards needed changed. Nothing has changed here, people have access, and people are manipulating the item permissions throughout the SL database.
Why? Because they can.
Keep believing Linden is obligated to protect your wonderful virtual works. I personally believe that no hosting provider is responsible for protecting any of what you store on their servers. If you have something so wonderful, get a patent and a registered copyright.
Otherwise, it's just another prim item, another texture, that anyone can steal. Just as the web is and always was.
I have more of a problem with the attitudes of so called "content creator" than I do with the theft itself. And witnessed it for years in SL.
Very sad.. I don't approve of theft of any kind or type, but what I witness is no less than nuts.
Slinden
Oct 30th, 2009
"Stiletto Moody, Armidi, ::69::, Akeyo, and many other creators were victimized"
No, they played the game of Second Life. If they start a real company, host their own works, and someone steals that work, they have the right just as we all do to take legal action.
Saying that they are victimized needs further investigation. For example, whom hosts their product? Did they look around for a better host? Are they hosted on a shared resource where others have access to the servers? How many concurrent connections are allowed to this resource to which you state someone has been victimized? How many ports are open on their local machine?
Did they take the necessary precautions and get registered trade marks, copyrights, and in some cases patents on the intellectual property they claim is so valuable? If so, why do they not use the legal system and it's provisions to uphold such copyright information and intellectual property rights? If they choose to do so, have they sought out whom the thieves are? or did they just take their best pot shot at the hosting provider?
Have they removed all their works and found a better solution for themselves? The first concept of not allowing one to be victimized is to remove oneself from the issue. Have they sought to do so?
My recommendation is to find a better host, or better yet, host their own non-tangible virtual assets. Why wouldn't they if they have been victimized? It's the first step to not becoming or remaining the victim if that is the terms you wish to use.
SL is full of children and scam artists. What new news is this for you?
At what point and time did you say… hey.. I'm a victim, SL has people who like to thieve? My first reaction would be to tell you to grow up. SL has been this way for many years and anyone with a mere year in SL would have this knowledge.
No. Instead, we get to hear about how you are a content creator. How thoroughly disruptive this has been to your life, and how it's "Linden Lab" that should be responsible for all of the theft and corruption.
If I were the attorney on the matter, I would ask you these questions. I would cross examine you, and find out exactly why you claim your content is of such value to you, yet you take no proactive measures to remove yourself from the situation as you view it.
It's going to sound pretty nuts. No matter how you view it. Because you consider yourself a victim, yet you couldn't host your own virtual product, nor would you even leave the company that lacks the skills to secure said servers and content. Who's fault is that?
Sileny
Oct 30th, 2009
You miss so many points here I am not even going to begin to tell you where you are wrong. But I will say that your attitude is disgusting and you need to get a heart. These are real people making art and it is being stolen from them and given away or sold by people often times claiming it as their own works. You don't see anything wrong with that? Really? Something is seriously wrong with you.
Maybe you are the one who needs to get out of SL because you clearly don't understand it. What do you do all day that you can't appreciate people's hard work? You say you were a creator, are you just jealous because some succeed where you failed? Because if you were a real artist, a real legitimate content creator, you would feel for people. But instead you would rub salt in their wounds. I have never, ever resorted to name calling on this blog, but you are an idiot.
JohnDie
Nov 5th, 2009
its not really a linden. Its a poser. They would be using the sl blog to do their posts not on this site.
Kabalyero
Oct 30th, 2009
Well, he/she just summed up why real life businesses should not use SL as a platform for, well, business as well as why people should not spend real money in SL.
But, it still doesn't justify content theft whether it's in Second Life or in Real Life. If a content creator in SL stole ideas/brand in RL then it is up to the RL creators to take action. The same goes in SL, if another resident stole creations of other residents (whether this creations are original or not) it is up to the creator in SL to take up action.
The argument that the platform is not secure is moot. Theft is theft. There is no justification in that. Theft is theft. Whether it's done by a kid or an adult. Theft is theft. Even if Linden Lab or Second Life allows it. Theft is theft. Just because you can do it, it doesn't mean it is right because in its simplest form. Theft is theft.
Is that so hard to understand? I wonder… Hmmm… O_o
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 30th, 2009
As Kabalyero says 'Theft is theft.' It is morally wrong to steal.
If you go on holiday, and you lock your house up and set your burglar alarm. You come back and discover somebody broke into your house and stole your belongings, whose fault is it? Some of the arguments that appear to justify stealing in this thread, would say that it is the owner's fault for going on holiday in the first place.
Sileny
Oct 30th, 2009
Oh but according to some of these people the thief wouldn't be in the wrong because you would have to change to a more secure house, not their fault. *rolls eyes* People with no moral compass will always try to make things look like they are in the right. It's disgusting and frankly disturbing.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 30th, 2009
Yeah exactly!
The thief would not be in the wrong because you didn't have better locks, or you should have chosen to live in a better neighborhood, or you shouldn't have a house in the first place!!!
Thieves logic … (I suppose it is how they make themselves feel better, awwww)
Man_In_A_Skirt
Oct 30th, 2009
In this particular case, I think that the distribution was not done out of generosity, but rather out of spite or jealousy that these creators are doing so well, and the thieves being real life failures like to hurt these successful people, as they have nothing more constructive to do in their lives than to wreak revenge and havoc on others.
If the thieves were really made of success in rl or sl, you really think they would devote so much of their time to copybotting and packaging the stolen goods? – Envy, some people have an inability to control it.
S. Gehrig
Oct 31st, 2009
Tenshi Vielle and Stroker Serpentine, are you aware that you're printing people's names, accusing them and raising public suspicion without any proper proof or official investigation? It has been demonstrated that anyone's full perm prim can be used to mask creator's names or can simply be used to hold items – like ANY gift box from ANY person or ANY designer, that allows you put content in it before you give it away. What you're doing is called LIBELLING and it's punishable by law. It's also pathetic and amateurish.
Here's a wikiquote for you – "Vilification also called libelling (for written or otherwise published words) – is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always, a requirement that this claim be false (…)"
You should have removed people's names as soon as you knew of how easy it was to fake their names. Also, Damen Hax and Zbornak Docherty both stated on different sites that they weren't even approached, questioned or even informed before being publicly calumnied. This sort of thing has happened before, with Hart Larsson and Mallory Cowen for example; I might be wrong but I believe Minnu Pallen was also cleared of her alleged licensing violation "scandal" – at least she's still working and creating beautiful skins; even Ding Fotherington was recently banned and attacked for false suspicions of copybotting. Where will this lack of responsibility by bloggers end? Get your facts and evidence straight or your own credibility will suffer, and you'll be nothing but a bad reporter thirsty for any quick dramatic story.
I personally won't believe anything I read from both of you in the future Thanks for posting my 2 cents.
Mako Mabellon
Oct 31st, 2009
Exactly. Also, remember that this is accessible from anywhere on the Internet, which means you have to comply with libel laws like the ones in England. If one of the people falsely sued Shopping Cart Disco for libel here, it would have *no defense*. British law is quite clear – you're leading people to believe that these people stole content with *no evidence*, which means you're screwed.
vincenzo
Nov 1st, 2009
I completely agree with S. and Mako. I too find this quite unsettling, intrusive, disrespectful and very unprofessional
I'm from italy but I live in canada and I can tell you that in both countries this could be severely and easily punishable
people on this list can be suspects but the defamers in question are already proven guilty
Gala
Nov 1st, 2009
Good bloggers take their publishing responsibilities, rights, and obligations seriously. The written word is powerful and SL is not just a silly game with avatars. Real people are affected. One should always check the veracity of one's claims, certify the accuracy of one's sources and not be light-hearted when it comes to messing with people's integrity. The information they possess is not much stronger than mere hearsay. Yay to total bull poo! It disgusts me!
Joana
Nov 1st, 2009
even if it there weren't any of the spoofing tools available in some of the 3rd party viewers, any full perm prim or box from anybody could be used to shove things in it
this is so lame it's not even funny
this post creates a very unfair bad word of mouth for the people mentioned, 2 of witch identify themselves and claim their innocent they're well known peopel in sl which leads me to think that's exactaly why their names were chosen
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Nov 1st, 2009
[...] box around the site, said box allegedly containing a virtual cornucopia of ripped-off items. Outraged commentators immediately cited this as yet another example of Linden Lab’s woefully negligent approach to [...]
John Doe
Nov 4th, 2009
tell us content creators is it not stealing to use a copyrighted image from the web that you yourself didn't create or have paid money to have a license for and then take said image to create second life clothing, buildings, furniture, and other content you create. oh i think you all don't have a problem with this kind of stealing because it helps you make money, you only have problem with stealing that hurts you. well most of you do change at least 20% of the images you copy from web before using them in second life so you are then no longer in copyrights violation as all you have to do is change at least 20% of the original work for it to no longer be copyright infringement.
Man_In_A_Skirt
Nov 4th, 2009
Good point, but the only problem with your argument is that many content creators don't use copyrighted material to make their stuff, and they still work copybotted. Just because a handful of content creators use copyrighted images, doesn't justify stealing from all the honest creators who create their work from scratch.
From your argument for stealing, I assume you are one of those thieves. Only a thief would lump all creators, good or bad, together, so that they can justify their reason for stealing and feel better for it. Awww poor you.
Lets get this over and done with, okay? … Thieves don't need an excuse, its natural that thieves create a reason in their head to make themselves feel better about stealing (in that way, they are creative I suppose) A thief is a thief – even if you steal from another thief, that still makes you a thief too. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Joe Blow
Nov 27th, 2009
Why is there an assumption that everyone copying inventory is a thief?
I have more than one avatar and I want to transfer all of my inventory from one to the other. I can’t, because of the way permissioning works. I’m actively considering finding a copybot program to do it, because I can’t afford to spend thousands of L$ re-buying inventory that I already supposedly own.
Also, why is there not the basic right to be able to re-sell anything I own (at a lower price than the purchase price) like I can in rl?
Why is No-Copy implemented as one copy within an entire inventory rather than one copy per avatar? (No, they’re not the same thing – “One Copy per Avatar implies the ability to make multiple copies throughout an avatars inventory, all of which are lost if one of those copies is transferred)
So often, content creators see things only from their own perspective, rather than asking what it is about the system is that is so broken and how can it be fixed. And why isn’t it being fixed.
lil
Jan 17th, 2010
these things are everywhere not everyone knows of this yet people that dont know will get the shit